Chiefs what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? - Page 2

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

jidar · 12-20-2011, 08:52 AM

The Orton thing

It's the best QB play we've seen in awhile, but that's not saying much.
I'm okay with Orton at QB, but I realize it's mostly because I've seen such shitty QB play here for the past few years. When you're eating ramen noodles every day then microwave pizza seems like gourmet fare. Thing is, you'll get tired of Microwave pizza pretty quick too and then we'll all be back to bitching about drafting a QBOTF.

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2011, 08:54 AM

Kyle Orton struggles in a low point for Broncos vs. Chiefs

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Kyle Orton threw high, he threw low, he threw under duress, but mostly he threw incomplete.

In what was his most inaccurate game as the Broncos' quarterback, Orton completed only 9-of-28 passes Sunday in a 10-6 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

There were games this season when Orton threw for 476 yards, 370 yards and 347 yards, and it wasn't enough as the Broncos still lost.

Finally, the defense holds an opponent to 10 points, and Orton throws his first clunker of the season. With the Broncos, it's always something.

Dexter Manley · 12-20-2011, 08:55 AM

Maybe if we offer the Bears both Orton and Cassel, they'll give us Cutler...

Deberg_1990 · 12-20-2011, 08:55 AM

People have gotten so tired of how bad Cassel is, anything other than him is viewed as a miracle upgrade.

I dont mind Orton for a year or two. I think hes decent and probably a top 15 guy.

BoneKrusher · 12-20-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

People have gotten so tired of how bad Cassel is, anything other than him is viewed as a miracle upgrade.

I dont mind Orton for a year or two. I think hes decent and probably a top 15 guy.

i agree.

KCUnited · 12-20-2011, 09:01 AM

I shit you not, I watched the game on Sunday with 4 dudes that went from "draft and develop a QB or run Pioli out of town" to "we're a stout defense away from the SB" in a matter of 4 quarters and 10 pitchers of beer.

Simply Red · 12-20-2011, 09:02 AM

it's at least nice seeing someone not get crushed every snap. With Orton at least they have somewhat of a team. I still say get younger, though.

Chiefnj2 · 12-20-2011, 09:08 AM

He's very inconsistent.

As far as having great weapons in KC, people need to get a grip. Bowe can be invisible just as many times as he makes a great catch. Breaston is a good slot receiver, and Baldwin is still a complete unknown.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-20-2011, 09:11 AM

Give Orton a 2 year deal. Nothing over that.

Beef Supreme · 12-20-2011, 09:12 AM

Orton will work for now. ANYTHING to get rid of Cassel and get an NFL caliber QB on the field. Like everyone else, I'm not confident he is the long term answer and would like to see us draft a QB. But you never know, Orton might just figure it all out and start beasting.

One of his main knocks in Denver was he could drive it up and down the field but couldn't stick it in the end zone. We saw that on Sunday. But the play calling was ass, so it's not all on him. If he can figure out the red zone with big physical receivers like Bowe, Baldwin, and even Pope, he might turn out ok.

Reerun_KC · 12-20-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Give Orton a 2 year deal. Nothing over that.

And that is being generous...

2 years at backup salary to be a #2 or #3 on the depth chart is fine, anything over that and he can walk...

He would be a decent backup to our franchise starting QB next year...

Hammock Parties · 12-20-2011, 09:13 AM

The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.

Deberg_1990 · 12-20-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He's very inconsistent.

As far as having great weapons in KC, people need to get a grip. Bowe can be invisible just as many times as he makes a great catch. Breaston is a good slot receiver, and Baldwin is still a complete unknown.

Bowe hasnt been invisible for awhile, Breaston is solid and Baldwin has shown plenty of potential this year in a handful of games.

Not saying Orton is savior, but with more time to work with our team, getting our injured stars back next year, and another solid draft, this is definately a playoff team in 12.

suds79 · 12-20-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Give Orton a 2 year deal. Nothing over that.

Hard to see Orton in KC next year. I think we can all agree don't sign him to a long term, big $$ deal. But I think Kyle is going to get an opportunity to sign a long term deal somewhere. He's only 29.

We just need to get that 1st round QB and play him so it doesn't matter what happens with Cassel or Orton.

**cabletech94** · 12-20-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

The only thing I will say in Orton's defense:

He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver.

The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year.

His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense.

In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season.

That is exciting. Can't wait for September, but these next 2 weeks might be hella fun!

12-20-2011, 08:30 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $5271637	what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me. I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid. I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton. I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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12-20-2011, 08:52 AM	#16
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	The Orton thing It's the best QB play we've seen in awhile, but that's not saying much. I'm okay with Orton at QB, but I realize it's mostly because I've seen such shitty QB play here for the past few years. When you're eating ramen noodles every day then microwave pizza seems like gourmet fare. Thing is, you'll get tired of Microwave pizza pretty quick too and then we'll all be back to bitching about drafting a QBOTF.
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12-20-2011, 08:55 AM	#18
Dexter Manley Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $10004900	Maybe if we offer the Bears both Orton and Cassel, they'll give us Cutler...
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3784454	People have gotten so tired of how bad Cassel is, anything other than him is viewed as a miracle upgrade. I dont mind Orton for a year or two. I think hes decent and probably a top 15 guy.
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12-20-2011, 09:01 AM	#21
KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $2058244	I shit you not, I watched the game on Sunday with 4 dudes that went from "draft and develop a QB or run Pioli out of town" to "we're a stout defense away from the SB" in a matter of 4 quarters and 10 pitchers of beer.
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12-20-2011, 09:02 AM	#22
Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	it's at least nice seeing someone not get crushed every snap. With Orton at least they have somewhat of a team. I still say get younger, though.
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12-20-2011, 09:08 AM	#23
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7843688	He's very inconsistent. As far as having great weapons in KC, people need to get a grip. Bowe can be invisible just as many times as he makes a great catch. Breaston is a good slot receiver, and Baldwin is still a complete unknown. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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12-20-2011, 09:11 AM	#24
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9373645	Give Orton a 2 year deal. Nothing over that. __________________
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12-20-2011, 09:12 AM	#25
Beef Supreme MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $10019560	Orton will work for now. ANYTHING to get rid of Cassel and get an NFL caliber QB on the field. Like everyone else, I'm not confident he is the long term answer and would like to see us draft a QB. But you never know, Orton might just figure it all out and start beasting. One of his main knocks in Denver was he could drive it up and down the field but couldn't stick it in the end zone. We saw that on Sunday. But the play calling was ass, so it's not all on him. If he can figure out the red zone with big physical receivers like Bowe, Baldwin, and even Pope, he might turn out ok.
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12-20-2011, 09:13 AM	#27
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4480478	The only thing I will say in Orton's defense: He never had a running game AND a defense in Denver. The Broncos were 18th in rushing and 7th in defense his first year. His second year they were 26th in rushing and 32nd in defense. In KC he will most likely have a top 10 running game and top 15 defense next season. __________________ Chiefs game films
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