Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 101

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

KCUnited · 10-31-2018, 04:12 PM

I'm expecting an '04 Curt Schilling postseason performance from his ass in the playoffs.

Mecca · 10-31-2018, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

The organization has ****ed this up beyond recognition.

Had they been upfront and honest, people wouldn't be speculating.

That's my issue with the whole thing. they won't tell you what the issue is, nor does he ever speak about it.

How hard is it for Eric Berry to discuss what the issue is?

**penguinz** · 10-31-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

That’s what I’m saying. This has been going on since before cancer....it’s entirely possible the Achilles is damaged and it’s not that easy.

It is easy. FHL transfer. Would lose initial burst in speed and some of his height on jumping.

**SAUTO** · 10-31-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

That’s what I’m saying. This has been going on since before cancer....it’s entirely possible the Achilles is damaged and it’s not that easy.

Then they should've done the surgery LAST YEAR when he was on the shelf anyway

**BossChief** · 10-31-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

No matter how good of a dude he is, if any of us were in his spot we'd do the same. I don't fault him for it, it's reality.

The longer he can drag this thing out the more of his money he sees. No person would just willingly give up 20 million dollars because it didn't work out.

I don’t understand why they haven’t NFI listed him.

Unless this deformity was caused by football...

Mecca · 10-31-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Maybe they would be breaking the law by doing so

Cause Eric Berry doesn't want anyone to know?

That would speak even more to him trying to drag it out for money reasons.

**SAUTO** · 10-31-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Maybe they would be breaking the law by doing so

. He, as in eric, should have no issues telling us what's wrong.

He sure talked about the cancer issues all the time when that was going on. There were articles everywhere

**BossChief** · 10-31-2018, 04:15 PM

Question...do we even know FOR SURE that Eric never had the surgery?

**SAUTO** · 10-31-2018, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I don’t understand why they haven’t NFI listed him.

Unless this deformity was caused by football...

Obviously , using common sense, they think he can play and he isn't

**SAUTO** · 10-31-2018, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Question...do we even know FOR SURE that Eric never had the surgery?

Obviously we don't.

But wut the secrecy?

Sassy Squatch · 10-31-2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Question...do we even know FOR SURE that Eric never had the surgery?

Yeah, he's been day to day with an expected return date of week 5 while recovering from surgery.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2018, 04:17 PM

Tons of assumptions in here based on little to no data

Mecca · 10-31-2018, 04:17 PM

There's also an ego thing for not NFI'ing him. You think Clark Hunt wants to look like a total dipshit for paying this guy and him playing 1 game then going on a list where he may never return at all?

This way helps them save face to some degree cause hey he could come back.

Mecca · 10-31-2018, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Tons of assumptions in here based on little to no data

They have allowed for this to happen because they give no info about it. They ask for this to happen, and honestly he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt at this point since he can't even answer a question about it.

**BossChief** · 10-31-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

That's exactly where I'm at.

I want Berry to be a Chief for life, but not for a blank check.

He has serious concerns, medically.

Cancer returns and he's on a huge money guaranteed deal...were ****ed
His weak Achilles tears (that's been a concern for 2 years), were ****ed
He doesn't replicate his best season ever each year, were ****ed.

Here was my reasoning for being weary about his extension before it was done.

I just find it a very odd situation that seems to clearly be missing huge chunks of the puzzle

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1946899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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