***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Will you indulge me with my hypothetical scenario?

If I put you and your family in a room with a group of people who have tested positive, would you choose to have everyone wear a mask or no one?

No because your hypo is ****ing idiotic.

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[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well since you didn't even read it I dint know why you think you are someone to say it isn't? Even if you did you aren't so.....

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Pete creating a false narrative off of one article. Lol.

You might want to work your way past the 30lb dumbbells. I’ll whoop your ass and cough in your face next time you’re in Sun City.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder how many anti-maskers also don't wear seat belts.

Oh yes here it is...the shame game.

Why not just say if you dont wear a mask you dont care if people die and stop being a pussy about it?

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[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I have no problem with wearing the mask. I was against it at first but the info I've learned in here has me thinking it helps, at least a little if nothing else.

But with your hypothetical, I think there would be a good chance that people would still get infected even if everyone chose the option to make everyone (including themselves) wear masks.

No disagreement there. It still will happen in some cases.

My only point is that we're VERY sure that it HELPS to prevent spread at this point. We also know that, the higher percentage of people that wear masks, the more it helps.

It's not 100%. Some people will still get sick. But if wearing them helps keep the spread low, that means that we can open up more things than we could with no one wearing masks.

I guess at its core, that's the point that I just don't understand. If you want things to be opened up more quickly, and masks are the criteria for doing so, shouldn't we all be on board with wearing them as much as possible so that we can get back to normal ASAP?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Pete creating a false narrative off of one article. Lol.



You might want to work your way past the 30lb dumbbells. I’ll whoop your ass and cough in your face next time you’re in Sun City.

I'll give you a map to find me, punk. But I'll only use words so I know you'll never bother.

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[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No because your hypo is ****ing idiotic.

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Why not? It's just a microcosm to going to any store. There's a good chance someone there will be infected. Would you rather everyone have to wear a mask or no one?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Lzen

You are right but it doesn't go just one way. Perhaps we should all look in the mirror.

I said that in the next post, both sides are guilty of this.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Oh yes here it is...the shame game.

Why not just say if you dont wear a mask you dont care if people die and stop being a pussy about it?

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I was just wondering, actually.

I already told you that you're being selfish. And you are.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

No disagreement there. It still will happen in some cases.

My only point is that we're VERY sure that it HELPS to prevent spread at this point. We also know that, the higher percentage of people that wear masks, the more it helps.

It's not 100%. Some people will still get sick. But if wearing them helps keep the spread low, that means that we can open up more things than we could with no one wearing masks.

I guess at its core, that's the point that I just don't understand. If you want things to be opened up more quickly, and masks are the criteria for doing so, shouldn't we all be on board with wearing them as much as possible so that we can get back to normal ASAP?

How are we so sure?

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Why not? It's just a microcosm to going to any store. There's a good chance someone there will be infected. Would you rather everyone have to wear a mask or no one?

No, it isnt

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[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Pants

I'm guessing your issue with the Hong Kong experiment was the sample size?

Well, I suppose that, too. I was more thinking of putting a maks type barrier between the cages and sending air with a fan. That seems like a child's idea of an experiment to me. It doesn't seem a good representation of how a virus would spread through breathing and coughing.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder how many anti-maskers also don't wear seat belts.

I actually have less issue with that, you flying into your windshield is likely to effect me less than you breathing your germs everywhere in the pandemic.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

How are we so sure?

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Because we aren't being purposefully stubborn, selfish, ignorant assholes.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I actually have less issue with that, you flying into your windshield is likely to effect me less than you breathing your germs everywhere in the pandemic.

Indeed.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I was just wondering, actually.



I already told you that you're being selfish. And you are.

Sure....

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