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Old 09-17-2005, 05:55 PM   Topic Starter
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Warped view of LJ's performance thus far.
I havent seen anything in writing quite like this. Someone wrote in to S.I. and asked Ryan Houston, Special to SI.com, a fantasy question:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...bag/index.html

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After seeing what happened during Week 1, would it be crazy for me to start Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson at the same time? I have read that they will alternate series' 2 to 1. I have Steven Jackson, Fred Taylor, Brandon Jacobs, and Lamar Gordon also. Does this seem like a bad idea?
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"On our radio show we received calls about this all day. Everyone is very concerned what kind of impact Larry Johnson is going to make on Priest Holmes' numbers this season. I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter. Sure he had two TDs but how often is Larry Johnson going to turn nine carries into 110 yards and two TDs? Holmes was the focal point of the offense and will be as long as he can stay healthy."



Excuse me, but wouldnt THAT (getting 110 and 2TD's on 9 carries) be enough to show that a guy just MIGHT be decent enough to be an every week starter?? Who is this clown?
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Old 09-17-2005, 05:59 PM   #2
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I'm betting it's al north. He thinks LJ should "prove himself " for three more years.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:00 PM   #3
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I agree with him. With Priest Holmes starting, Johnson's performance last week may be an aberration. Or it may not. If Priest hadn't taken himself out after his 35 yard run, he would've scored that TD, and his numbers would've been 120 yards and 2 TD, and Johnson's would've been 75 yards and a score. It just happened to go the way it did. It may not go that way all the time.

Right now, I'm not sure I'd start either of them. I really don't like RBbC situations in a fantasy setting. You can never be sure which RB will get the scores.

As a KC fan, on gameday, I love it.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:07 PM   #4
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I agree with him. With Priest Holmes starting, Johnson's performance last week may be an aberration. Or it may not. If Priest hadn't taken himself out after his 35 yard run, he would've scored that TD, and his numbers would've been 120 yards and 2 TD, and Johnson's would've been 75 yards and a score. It just happened to go the way it did. It may not go that way all the time.

Right now, I'm not sure I'd start either of them. I really don't like RBbC situations in a fantasy setting. You can never be sure which RB will get the scores.

As a KC fan, on gameday, I love it.
Maybe you haven't seen enough of LJ to know he is better than Priest but I have. LJ is bigger, stronger and faster. And may even have better moves. I know he has a spin move that Priest doesn't have.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:10 PM   #5
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Maybe you haven't seen enough of LJ to know he is better than Priest but I have. LJ is bigger, stronger and faster. And may even have better moves. I know he has a spin move that Priest doesn't have.
I'm starting to realize this. Priest is my favorite player, so its a little painful. Though, watching LJ run tends to ease the pain...
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:11 PM   #6
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Maybe you haven't seen enough of LJ to know he is better than Priest but I have. LJ is bigger, stronger and faster. And may even have better moves. I know he has a spin move that Priest doesn't have.
Hold on there, thats ALOT to say right now. LJ is certainly a DIFFERENT runner than Priest but to try to say that LJ is flat out better than Priest is debateable at best. Priest can make people miss in ways that LJ cant, Priest can see/fit thru smaller holes than LJ can (at this point).
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:13 PM   #7
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I agree. I've come to the conclusion that both do things better than the other one does, if that makes sense.

I believe LJ would have been tackled short of the goal line on Priest's TD last week (although technically Priest WAS).
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:20 PM   #8
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I agree. I've come to the conclusion that both do things better than the other one does, if that makes sense.

I believe LJ would have been tackled short of the goal line on Priest's TD last week (although technically Priest WAS).
I think you are absolutely right.

LJ is faster and stronger.

But Priest is, at this time, still more patient, and more determined in the red zone.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:14 PM   #9
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Hold on there, thats ALOT to say right now. LJ is certainly a DIFFERENT runner than Priest but to try to say that LJ is flat out better than Priest is debateable at best. Priest can make people miss in ways that LJ cant, Priest can see/fit thru smaller holes than LJ can (at this point).
LJ is only going to get better as well. Priest certainly isn't at age 32 and with his history of injuries. Priest hasn't made it through either of the last two seasons and I see no reason to believe he will make it through this one.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:18 PM   #10
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LJ is only going to get better as well. Priest certainly isn't at age 32 and with his history of injuries. Priest hasn't made it through either of the last two seasons and I see no reason to believe he will make it through this one.

Agreed. Im not willing to try to throw out the old dog just because the young pup has shown a few flashes of brilliance just yet. Priest is the starter and he deserves it. No LJ and Priest has a field day against the Jets last week too...both backs would have done well. LJ's time will come.
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LJ is only going to get better as well. Priest certainly isn't at age 32 and with his history of injuries. Priest hasn't made it through either of the last two seasons and I see no reason to believe he will make it through this one.
You should be taken out and beaten for talking about injuries in a serious way like this. That so much bad mojo I can't even begin to think about it...
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Maybe you haven't seen enough of LJ to know he is better than Priest but I have. LJ is bigger, stronger and faster. And may even have better moves. I know he has a spin move that Priest doesn't have.
The question was not whether Priest is better than LJ or vice versa. The question was whether a fantasy player should start them both. Nowhere did I see any mention or question about Johnson other than to say that Priest is the starter (which he is, until the Chiefs decide he's not) and as such will get the carries and catches. 22 carries to 9 carries last week is proof of that, as is the stated plan to play Priest for 1 drive, Johnson for 2.

I'm not arguing that Priest is better than Johnson as a runningback. That's irrelevant. Priest is the starter, and will get more touches, hence more opportunities to score, in a fantasy setting.

If the Chiefs eventually give Johnson the lion's share of the carries, than all that reverses. I'm being pragmatic, not judgemental.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:11 PM   #13
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I agree with him. With Priest Holmes starting, Johnson's performance last week may be an aberration. Or it may not. If Priest hadn't taken himself out after his 35 yard run, he would've scored that TD, and his numbers would've been 120 yards and 2 TD, and Johnson's would've been 75 yards and a score. It just happened to go the way it did. It may not go that way all the time.

Right now, I'm not sure I'd start either of them. I really don't like RBbC situations in a fantasy setting. You can never be sure which RB will get the scores.

As a KC fan, on gameday, I love it.
I'm not so sure about that. LJ accelerates through the defense and makes it look easy. He outruns defenders' angles. He made that score look easy. He'll make a lot of scores look easy. I'm not 100% sold on the assertion that Priest would have scored that TD.

LJ's performance has been consistent. For anyone to suggest that last week was an abberation is to ignore his entire history.
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I'm not so sure about that. LJ accelerates through the defense and makes it look easy. He outruns defenders' angles. He made that score look easy. He'll make a lot of scores look easy. I'm not 100% sold on the assertion that Priest would have scored that TD.

LJ's performance has been consistent. For anyone to suggest that last week was an abberation is to ignore his entire history.
You're arguing something completely unrelated to anything I've said.

The aberration last week was that Johnson scored a TD on one of Priest's drives.

I have no doubt about Johnson's abilities or capabilities, what I'm questioning -- as a fantasy player -- is his opportunities.

That's all.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:18 PM   #15
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You're arguing something completely unrelated to anything I've said.

The aberration last week was that Johnson scored a TD on one of Priest's drives.

I have no doubt about Johnson's abilities or capabilities, what I'm questioning -- as a fantasy player -- is his opportunities.

That's all.
OK, I'll buy that.
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