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Old 09-17-2005, 05:55 PM  
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Warped view of LJ's performance thus far.
I havent seen anything in writing quite like this. Someone wrote in to S.I. and asked Ryan Houston, Special to SI.com, a fantasy question:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...bag/index.html

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After seeing what happened during Week 1, would it be crazy for me to start Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson at the same time? I have read that they will alternate series' 2 to 1. I have Steven Jackson, Fred Taylor, Brandon Jacobs, and Lamar Gordon also. Does this seem like a bad idea?
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"On our radio show we received calls about this all day. Everyone is very concerned what kind of impact Larry Johnson is going to make on Priest Holmes' numbers this season. I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter. Sure he had two TDs but how often is Larry Johnson going to turn nine carries into 110 yards and two TDs? Holmes was the focal point of the offense and will be as long as he can stay healthy."



Excuse me, but wouldnt THAT (getting 110 and 2TD's on 9 carries) be enough to show that a guy just MIGHT be decent enough to be an every week starter?? Who is this clown?
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:14 PM   #16
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Hold on there, thats ALOT to say right now. LJ is certainly a DIFFERENT runner than Priest but to try to say that LJ is flat out better than Priest is debateable at best. Priest can make people miss in ways that LJ cant, Priest can see/fit thru smaller holes than LJ can (at this point).
LJ is only going to get better as well. Priest certainly isn't at age 32 and with his history of injuries. Priest hasn't made it through either of the last two seasons and I see no reason to believe he will make it through this one.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:16 PM   #17
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I'm not so sure about that. LJ accelerates through the defense and makes it look easy. He outruns defenders' angles. He made that score look easy. He'll make a lot of scores look easy. I'm not 100% sold on the assertion that Priest would have scored that TD.

LJ's performance has been consistent. For anyone to suggest that last week was an abberation is to ignore his entire history.
You're arguing something completely unrelated to anything I've said.

The aberration last week was that Johnson scored a TD on one of Priest's drives.

I have no doubt about Johnson's abilities or capabilities, what I'm questioning -- as a fantasy player -- is his opportunities.

That's all.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:18 PM   #18
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You're arguing something completely unrelated to anything I've said.

The aberration last week was that Johnson scored a TD on one of Priest's drives.

I have no doubt about Johnson's abilities or capabilities, what I'm questioning -- as a fantasy player -- is his opportunities.

That's all.
OK, I'll buy that.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:18 PM   #19
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LJ is only going to get better as well. Priest certainly isn't at age 32 and with his history of injuries. Priest hasn't made it through either of the last two seasons and I see no reason to believe he will make it through this one.

Agreed. Im not willing to try to throw out the old dog just because the young pup has shown a few flashes of brilliance just yet. Priest is the starter and he deserves it. No LJ and Priest has a field day against the Jets last week too...both backs would have done well. LJ's time will come.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:20 PM   #20
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I agree. I've come to the conclusion that both do things better than the other one does, if that makes sense.

I believe LJ would have been tackled short of the goal line on Priest's TD last week (although technically Priest WAS).
I think you are absolutely right.

LJ is faster and stronger.

But Priest is, at this time, still more patient, and more determined in the red zone.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:22 PM   #21
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Agreed. Im not willing to try to throw out the old dog just because the young pup has shown a few flashes of brilliance just yet. Priest is the starter and he deserves it. No LJ and Priest has a field day against the Jets last week too...both backs would have done well. LJ's time will come.
That Priest would have had a field day is pure speculation on your part. He could just have easily gone bust without Roaf. Priest is getting old and it shows. I don't want to throw him out but I don't think he can handle the load any more. The last two years indicate that.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:23 PM   #22
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You're arguing something completely unrelated to anything I've said.

The aberration last week was that Johnson scored a TD on one of Priest's drives.

I have no doubt about Johnson's abilities or capabilities, what I'm questioning -- as a fantasy player -- is his opportunities.

That's all.
This is the quote I was responding to, specifically.

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If Priest hadn't taken himself out after his 35 yard run, he would've scored that TD, and his numbers would've been 120 yards and 2 TD, and Johnson's would've been 75 yards and a score. It just happened to go the way it did. It may not go that way all the time.
Like I said, I'm not sold that Priest would have scored on LJ's 35yd TD.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:25 PM   #23
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As an owner of LJ in 3 seperate leagues I still have him riding the bench even though he outscored all my other rb's last week.I'm just not ready to give up 20+ touches by a #1 starter for the possibility of 10 or so carries by LJ.

Like someone already said as a KC Homer even if LJ does go off and he's on my bench, it's all good.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:26 PM   #24
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I think you are absolutely right.

LJ is faster and stronger.

But Priest is, at this time, still more patient, and more determined in the red zone.
LJ looked awful determined on that 4yd TD run. He met three defenders at the one yard line and knocked all three of them onto their asses and two yards deep into the endzone, including Jonathan Vilma.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:26 PM   #25
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Like I said, I'm not sold that Priest would have scored on LJ's 35yd TD.
I do. That run wasn't really the result of anything that LJ did. We went to a 3 TE package and just crushed the Jets with our blocking. It created a wide open hole, with nobody even in the picture to touch the ball carrier, much less try to tackle him. It was a well designed play that was executed perfectly. Priest has the wheels for that run. What he doesn't have is the speed to take it another 30 yards, and it doesn't have anything to do with his age; he's never had breakaway speed. LJ does.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:26 PM   #26
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This is the quote I was responding to, specifically.



Like I said, I'm not sold that Priest would have scored on LJ's 35yd TD.
Me either. Certainly not on one play like LJ did. Priest doesn't have a 35 yard TD run in his entire career.
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I'm starting Priest and LJ this week in the same league. But only because of the cloud surrounding the Donks backfield.
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That Priest would have had a field day is pure speculation on your part. He could just have easily gone bust without Roaf. Priest is getting old and it shows. I don't want to throw him out but I don't think he can handle the load any more. The last two years indicate that.

Injuries can happen to anyone at anytime...no preventing or predicting them. Priests injuries havent been "wear down" type of injuries. If he was just getting tired and couldnt handle his duties at the end of the year I would agree with you....but nope, it wasnt like that. When Priest was uninjured he performed well. Period. The NON-injured parts of the last three years proves that.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:29 PM   #29
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Injuries can happen to anyone at anytime...no preventing or predicting them. Priests injuries havent been "wear down" type of injuries. If he was just getting tired and couldnt handle his duties at the end of the year I would agree with you....but nope, it wasnt like that. When Priest was uninjured he performed well. Period. The NON-injured parts of the last three years proves that.
He was injured during the latter part of the season two years ago. Last year he only made it halfway through the season. It's getting worse, not better.
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Some of you people act like Priest is a sloth out there. He had a 35 yard run last week, he had a couple 30+ yard runs last year, he ran 50 some odd yards against the Colts defense off a screen pass last year. The guy can still run.
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