Warped view of LJ's performance thus far. - Page 5

BigVE · 09-17-2005, 05:55 PM

I havent seen anything in writing quite like this. Someone wrote in to S.I. and asked Ryan Houston, Special to SI.com, a fantasy question:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...bag/index.html

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After seeing what happened during Week 1, would it be crazy for me to start Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson at the same time? I have read that they will alternate series' 2 to 1. I have Steven Jackson, Fred Taylor, Brandon Jacobs, and Lamar Gordon also. Does this seem like a bad idea?
-- Paul

"On our radio show we received calls about this all day. Everyone is very concerned what kind of impact Larry Johnson is going to make on Priest Holmes' numbers this season. I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter. Sure he had two TDs but how often is Larry Johnson going to turn nine carries into 110 yards and two TDs? Holmes was the focal point of the offense and will be as long as he can stay healthy."

Excuse me, but wouldnt THAT (getting 110 and 2TD's on 9 carries) be enough to show that a guy just MIGHT be decent enough to be an every week starter?? Who is this clown?

**Bwana** · 09-17-2005, 07:42 PM

"I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter."

This guy is a total strokestick. Johnson would start on MOST teams in the NFL.

beer bacon · 09-17-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana

"I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter."

This guy is a total strokestick. Johnson would start on MOST teams in the NFL.

I think he is referring to every-week starter in the every-week fantasy starter sense. He doesn't think LJ is always going to have an 11 ypc average every week, and he doesn't think he is going to get a ton of carries.

Valiant · 09-17-2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I agree with him. With Priest Holmes starting, Johnson's performance last week may be an aberration. Or it may not. If Priest hadn't taken himself out after his 35 yard run, he would've scored that TD, and his numbers would've been 120 yards and 2 TD, and Johnson's would've been 75 yards and a score. It just happened to go the way it did. It may not go that way all the time.

Right now, I'm not sure I'd start either of them. I really don't like RBbC situations in a fantasy setting. You can never be sure which RB will get the scores.

As a KC fan, on gameday, I love it.

Would love to have you in my fantasy league.. Hell i would trade you a kicker and a defense for both of them in a fantasy league... They both will have great fantasy years...

Valiant · 09-17-2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

I think he is referring to every-week starter in the every-week fantasy starter sense. He doesn't think LJ is always going to have an 11 ypc average every week, and he doesn't think he is going to get a ton of carries.

No, but 75ypgs and 1td a week is great for other starters in FFL...

keg in kc · 09-17-2005, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Would love to have you in my fantasy league.. Hell i would trade you a kicker and a defense for both of them in a fantasy league... They both will have great fantasy years...

There'd be no trade, because I wouldn't have drafted them in the first place.

I think Priest and Larry could each have nice fantasy seasons, if you look at the raw numbers when the year is over. But they'll hurt each other in a fantasy sense, and I think one or both of them could drastically rise and fall in their week-to-week production (Johnson, probably, unless he ends up taking the starting job). You're not going to get Priest Holmes' gargantuan numbers of the last few years doubled, you're getting them divided between two players. So if you play them both, you're getting the equivalent of one vintage Priest. And if you decide to play one or the other, and not both, you never really know which one is going to score, you never know which one is going to get big yards.

And we aren't going to score all our points on the ground. We won't have 3 rushing TDs per week, we won't rush for 200 yards/week. Green will have his 25 TDs and 3500-4500 yards.

People are excited by week one. And they should be, it was great production, both fantasy and real. But I think it's a mistake to expect to see that kind of fantasy scoring from both of them all year. They'd both have to stay healthy, and they'd either have to split the carries/catches/TDs down the middle, or LJ would have to continue to rush at a 10+ ypc clip. Now, I'm not saying it can't happen. It could.

And if it does, it'll be historic.

Valiant · 09-17-2005, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

There'd be no trade, because I wouldn't have drafted them in the first place.

I think Priest and Larry could each have nice fantasy seasons, if you look at the raw numbers when the year is over. But they'll hurt each other in a fantasy sense, and I think one or both of them could drastically rise and fall in their week-to-week production (Johnson, probably, unless he ends up taking the starting job). You're not going to get Priest Holmes' gargantuan numbers of the last few years doubled, you're getting them divided between two players. So if you play them both, you're getting the equivalent of one vintage Priest. And if you decide to play one or the other, and not both, you never really know which one is going to score, you never know which one is going to get big yards.

And we aren't going to score all our points on the ground. We won't have 3 rushing TDs per week, we won't rush for 200 yards/week. Green will have his 25 TDs and 3500-4500 yards.

People are excited by week one. And they should be, it was great production, both fantasy and real. But I think it's a mistake to expect to see that kind of fantasy scoring from both of them all year. They'd both have to stay healthy, and they'd either have to split the carries/catches/TDs down the middle, or LJ would have to continue to rush at a 10+ ypc clip. Now, I'm not saying it can't happen. It could.

And if it does, it'll be historic.

No he will not have the seasons he had before...

but realistically

priest can easily get 1300total yards and 20tds

and LJ can get 900total yards and 15tds with this offense... That is starting fantasy value for running backs in most leagues as long as you do not do some 8team shit...

**Skip Towne** · 09-17-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana

"I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter."

This guy is a total strokestick. Johnson would start on MOST teams in the NFL.

I can't think of a team LJ wouldn't start for. Well, except us. VD is a tool.

keg in kc · 09-17-2005, 08:48 PM

Don't forget we'll have to pass the ball, if for no other reason than to make teams respect our ability to do so.

I think for Johnson to get the kind of premeire production you seem to expect, Priest will have to either be injured or be replaced in the starting lineup. If they continue with the 2/1 drive ratio, Johnson just won't get enough touches to score 15 times.

Valiant · 09-17-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Don't forget we'll have to pass the ball, if for no other reason than to make teams respect our ability to do so.

I think for Johnson to get the kind of premeire production you seem to expect, Priest will have to either be injured or be replaced in the starting lineup. If they continue with the 2/1 drive ratio, Johnson just won't get enough touches to score 15 times.

I have already made a beat with a couple of Donk fans that are friends of mine(remember that our O went conserviate in the second half last week) that the Chiefs will set a new record this year if no one else gets hurt...

Our offense is set up to where we can have

2 1000yard rushers
2 1000yard recieivers
1 4000yard passer

I honestly believe we can do it... Our offense sucked last week for half the game because of injuries... Hell trent was on pace for 300 yards before the loss of Roaf and that is with our rushing attack... If we have no more setbacks this Offense will be a miracle in action...

**Skip Towne** · 09-17-2005, 08:53 PM

I have been watching football for 50 years and there has been an adage all that time that if you run a successful play, you keep running it till they prove they can stop it. Then you run it to the other side till they prove they can stop it. I think the same is true for RB's. Keep running an RB at them till they prove they can stop him. Thus far, nobody has been able to stop LJ. So what does VD do? Give him 9 carries. The dude is senile or just still won't admit he was wrong about LJ. Hell, he was wrong about Priest being an every down back as well. But he was forced to admit that.

Hammock Parties · 09-17-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I have been watching football for 50 years

God you're old.

I can't even fathom what being alive for 50 years is like.

No offense. Age brings wisdom.

**Skip Towne** · 09-17-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

God you're old.

I can't even fathom what being alive for 50 years is like.

No offense. Age brings wisdom.

I haven't been alive for 50 years. I've been alive for 60 years. Just watching football for 50 years. My mom died two weeks ago and she was born in 1915. At the funeral I told my brothers that the airplane was only 12 years older than mom. They were amazed.

keg in kc · 09-17-2005, 09:10 PM

Condolances for you and all your family about your mom, Skip.

Hammock Parties · 09-17-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I haven't been alive for 50 years. I've been alive for 60 years. Just watching football for 50 years. My mom died two weeks ago and she was born in 1915. At the funeral I told my brothers that the airplane was only 12 years older than mom. They were amazed.

I know...I was just saying I can't even fathom what being alive for 50 years is like, and you've been WATCHING FOOTBALL for that length of time.

Your brain must be crammed with game memories.

jspchief · 09-17-2005, 09:13 PM

Personally, I think this Raider game will be a perfect example of why Holmes should be the starter. I don't think LJ's style will get it done in this game.

09-17-2005, 05:55 PM
BigVE Veteran Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: centralKs Casino cash: $10005250	Warped view of LJ's performance thus far. I havent seen anything in writing quite like this. Someone wrote in to S.I. and asked Ryan Houston, Special to SI.com, a fantasy question: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...bag/index.html " After seeing what happened during Week 1, would it be crazy for me to start Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson at the same time? I have read that they will alternate series' 2 to 1. I have Steven Jackson, Fred Taylor, Brandon Jacobs, and Lamar Gordon also. Does this seem like a bad idea? -- Paul "On our radio show we received calls about this all day. Everyone is very concerned what kind of impact Larry Johnson is going to make on Priest Holmes' numbers this season. I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter. Sure he had two TDs but how often is Larry Johnson going to turn nine carries into 110 yards and two TDs? Holmes was the focal point of the offense and will be as long as he can stay healthy." Excuse me, but wouldnt THAT (getting 110 and 2TD's on 9 carries) be enough to show that a guy just MIGHT be decent enough to be an every week starter?? Who is this clown?
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Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2139543647	"I really didn't see anything that made me feel Larry Johnson is an every-week starter." This guy is a total strokestick. Johnson would start on MOST teams in the NFL.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Don't forget we'll have to pass the ball, if for no other reason than to make teams respect our ability to do so. I think for Johnson to get the kind of premeire production you seem to expect, Priest will have to either be injured or be replaced in the starting lineup. If they continue with the 2/1 drive ratio, Johnson just won't get enough touches to score 15 times.
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Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	I have been watching football for 50 years and there has been an adage all that time that if you run a successful play, you keep running it till they prove they can stop it. Then you run it to the other side till they prove they can stop it. I think the same is true for RB's. Keep running an RB at them till they prove they can stop him. Thus far, nobody has been able to stop LJ. So what does VD do? Give him 9 carries. The dude is senile or just still won't admit he was wrong about LJ. Hell, he was wrong about Priest being an every down back as well. But he was forced to admit that.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Condolances for you and all your family about your mom, Skip.
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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Personally, I think this Raider game will be a perfect example of why Holmes should be the starter. I don't think LJ's style will get it done in this game. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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