Chiefs No Chris Jones at OTA's. - Page 13

O.city · 05-21-2019, 10:15 AM

As expected, Chiefs DT Chris Jones has not reported for the start of OTAs this week, per a source.
— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) May 21, 2019

synthesis2 · 06-12-2019, 07:06 AM

My take on Jones is pretty simple.

People on TV and Radio keep saying that because Clark , Honey B etc got big contracts and he didn't he is sitting out because he wants his but I think these are different situations.

When your picked in round 1 you basically have a 5 year contract as year 5 is a option that most teams exercise with a player like jones. So if he is 22 when drafted most players can't sniff free agency until they are 27 years old.

Jones being picked in the second round is a nice benefit ( besides being paid less than a first rounder) because there is not 5th year option and he is only on the team for 4 years because the franchise tag or free agency.

Sooooo what bugs me and what makes his situation different than the others is this, he hasn't even finished his rookie contract. His first two years were C+ and B and he last year was a A+, but because his first two years were just good not great, I'd want him to prove it one more year before breaking the bank.

The big picture was the other guys we brought in FINISHED there rookie contracts, he has not. Holding out after three years is just plain selfish as Frank Clark finished his contract, Honey B finished his rookie contract.

Finish your four years and then you can complain jones but having one good year and wanting to be paid the tops in the league makes you look incredibly selfish

**BigRedChief** · 06-12-2019, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2

Sooooo what bugs me and what makes his situation different than the others is this, he hasn't even finished his rookie contract. His first two years were C+ and B and he last year was a A+, but because his first two years were just good not great, I'd want him to prove it one more year before breaking the bank.

Finish your four years and then you can complain jones but having one good year and wanting to be paid the tops in the league makes you look incredibly selfish

Your not living in the real world, It's some 1950's fantasy. You signed a contract, finish it and then we will talk. it's 2019. come back to reality. Jones had no choice but to sign. He has a choice now. He is going to get paid. This is just business.

This is going just like every other negotiation in the NFL for every stud entering his last year of contract that the team and player want to stay.

Jones gets hurt in week 5 and out for the season, he doesn't get paid. Surely you understand that? The Chiefs are a business, There is a cap. This is just business. It'll get done.

Dunerdr · 06-12-2019, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2

My take on Jones is pretty simple.

People on TV and Radio keep saying that because Clark , Honey B etc got big contracts and he didn't he is sitting out because he wants his but I think these are different situations.

When your picked in round 1 you basically have a 5 year contract as year 5 is a option that most teams exercise with a player like jones. So if he is 22 when drafted most players can't sniff free agency until they are 27 years old.

Jones being picked in the second round is a nice benefit ( besides being paid less than a first rounder) because there is not 5th year option and he is only on the team for 4 years because the franchise tag or free agency.

Sooooo what bugs me and what makes his situation different than the others is this, he hasn't even finished his rookie contract. His first two years were C+ and B and he last year was a A+, but because his first two years were just good not great, I'd want him to prove it one more year before breaking the bank.

The big picture was the other guys we brought in FINISHED there rookie contracts, he has not. Holding out after three years is just plain selfish as Frank Clark finished his contract, Honey B finished his rookie contract.

Finish your four years and then you can complain jones but having one good year and wanting to be paid the tops in the league makes you look incredibly selfish

good idea we will wait for another elite season like we did with berry and houston the pay even more..

Flying High D · 06-12-2019, 07:28 AM

I guess somebody doesn’t want to help MVPII win a SB. Don’t see MVP holding out and he is the MVP of the league. Somebody is getting bad advice.

synthesis2 · 06-12-2019, 07:32 AM

Most players do not hold out on their Rookie contract, after that the gloves come off.

I completely get where you both are coming from but I don't want one year to screw us long term. Its only four years, finish them and get rewarded for your hard work. I don't mind him making more money because he finishes the year with 10 plus sacks and we win the superbowl. All is good for me but very few players hold out on their rookie contract after three years.

If he was an A his rookie year, and A his second and A his third then I get it but one great year would make he just wait and see.

But for clarification I 100% want him on the team short and long term. I just don't see any reason to rush into it only after three years.

Sorce · 06-12-2019, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

good idea we will wait for another elite season like we did with berry and houston the pay even more..

If he's wanting to get paid top contract already how is this different? He is taking most of the risk in that, the Chiefs have leverage here. He can accept less or play his final year. If he plays he risks getting hurt, not performing as well as last year. It sounds like he isn't willing to give the Chiefs a break for getting him his money early. If I'm the Chiefs I set a TC deadline for a deal. He can't sit out the season or he loses the year.

synthesis2 · 06-12-2019, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorce

If he's wanting to get paid top contract already how is this different? He is taking most of the risk in that, the Chiefs have leverage here. He can accept less or play his final year. If he plays he risks getting hurt, not performing as well as last year. It sounds like he isn't willing to give the Chiefs a break for getting him his money early. If I'm the Chiefs I set a TC deadline for a deal. He can't sit out the season or he loses the year.

Agreed, I'm completely ok with paying him even more money if he has another A year but lets say he ends the year

A) with 7 sacks and 35 tackles ( somewhere in there) he gets a good contract but not one that breaks the bank.

B) decides to hold out the entire year and I still think our D is good enough now without him to win a Superbowl and he is still in the same situation but has lost a lot of money.

I love the guy I just want to see him do it two years vs one.

Sassy Squatch · 06-12-2019, 07:40 AM

After these last few offseasons I don't get how anybody could be in favor of waiting another season to pay him, unless you're just absolutely convinced he's not worth it no matter what he does. Wait and see will only bite us in the ass with these contracts rising at an astronomical rate.

Flying High D · 06-12-2019, 07:41 AM

Someone in Chiefs Kindergarten is disgruntled.

God of Thunder · 06-12-2019, 07:42 AM

610 Sports reported this morning that the two sides are about 25M apart. Take it with a grain of salt though.....

Flying High D · 06-12-2019, 07:42 AM

Maybe the Beib should challenge him to a fight.

**loochy** · 06-12-2019, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2

Agreed, I'm completely ok with paying him even more money if he has another A year but lets say he ends the year

A) with 7 sacks and 35 tackles ( somewhere in there) he gets a good contract but not one that breaks the bank.

B) decides to hold out the entire year and I still think our D is good enough now without him to win a Superbowl and he is still in the same situation but has lost a lot of money.

I love the guy I just want to see him do it two years vs one.

With Clark on his right and Nandi on his left and a change to a 4-3 he will surely have a great season, don'tchathink?

Flying High D · 06-12-2019, 07:44 AM

As the Chiefs World turns

Dunerdr · 06-12-2019, 07:46 AM

its basically do you wanna risk an ascending player hitting the open market and letting the market potentially push your price up even more and or losing him or try to get 110% out of him again because hes in a contract year? weve been burned on the contract year several times. he wants donald money and thats a bank breaker, but another season of donaldish numbers may just push it even farther.

synthesis2 · 06-12-2019, 07:47 AM

I’m willing to wait one extra year to find out. I think this years defense is much better than last year even without jones. Clark is a better player and we don’t have Houston and berry bad attitude to deal with. I want him on the team just want him to finish his rookie freaking contract of four years. He’s lucky he wasn’t the 32nd pick in the first as we would have him two more years.

With or without him we win the Super Bowl in my opinion, but for jones his agent to bully the chiefs for a top 2 DL contract after one good year when he still has one left I’d wait. We still win the SB. Hell last year with the worst d in football we were a few Ford inches away from the Sb . Love to have him but he needs to finish his four year deal, prove he’s not a flash and then pay him.

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06-12-2019, 07:06 AM	#181
synthesis2 synthesis2 Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $9335401	My take on Jones is pretty simple. People on TV and Radio keep saying that because Clark , Honey B etc got big contracts and he didn't he is sitting out because he wants his but I think these are different situations. When your picked in round 1 you basically have a 5 year contract as year 5 is a option that most teams exercise with a player like jones. So if he is 22 when drafted most players can't sniff free agency until they are 27 years old. Jones being picked in the second round is a nice benefit ( besides being paid less than a first rounder) because there is not 5th year option and he is only on the team for 4 years because the franchise tag or free agency. Sooooo what bugs me and what makes his situation different than the others is this, he hasn't even finished his rookie contract. His first two years were C+ and B and he last year was a A+, but because his first two years were just good not great, I'd want him to prove it one more year before breaking the bank. The big picture was the other guys we brought in FINISHED there rookie contracts, he has not. Holding out after three years is just plain selfish as Frank Clark finished his contract, Honey B finished his rookie contract. Finish your four years and then you can complain jones but having one good year and wanting to be paid the tops in the league makes you look incredibly selfish
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06-12-2019, 07:28 AM	#184
Flying High D MVP Join Date: Feb 2017 Casino cash: $4000400	I guess somebody doesn’t want to help MVPII win a SB. Don’t see MVP holding out and he is the MVP of the league. Somebody is getting bad advice.
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06-12-2019, 07:32 AM	#185
synthesis2 synthesis2 Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $9335401	Most players do not hold out on their Rookie contract, after that the gloves come off. I completely get where you both are coming from but I don't want one year to screw us long term. Its only four years, finish them and get rewarded for your hard work. I don't mind him making more money because he finishes the year with 10 plus sacks and we win the superbowl. All is good for me but very few players hold out on their rookie contract after three years. If he was an A his rookie year, and A his second and A his third then I get it but one great year would make he just wait and see. But for clarification I 100% want him on the team short and long term. I just don't see any reason to rush into it only after three years.
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06-12-2019, 07:40 AM	#188
Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2459655	After these last few offseasons I don't get how anybody could be in favor of waiting another season to pay him, unless you're just absolutely convinced he's not worth it no matter what he does. Wait and see will only bite us in the ass with these contracts rising at an astronomical rate.
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06-12-2019, 07:41 AM	#189
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06-12-2019, 07:42 AM	#191
Flying High D MVP Join Date: Feb 2017 Casino cash: $4000400	Maybe the Beib should challenge him to a fight.
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06-12-2019, 07:44 AM	#193
Flying High D MVP Join Date: Feb 2017 Casino cash: $4000400	As the Chiefs World turns
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06-12-2019, 07:46 AM	#194
Dunerdr MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2429677	its basically do you wanna risk an ascending player hitting the open market and letting the market potentially push your price up even more and or losing him or try to get 110% out of him again because hes in a contract year? weve been burned on the contract year several times. he wants donald money and thats a bank breaker, but another season of donaldish numbers may just push it even farther. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief- Rachel Santschi
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06-12-2019, 07:47 AM	#195
synthesis2 synthesis2 Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $9335401	I’m willing to wait one extra year to find out. I think this years defense is much better than last year even without jones. Clark is a better player and we don’t have Houston and berry bad attitude to deal with. I want him on the team just want him to finish his rookie freaking contract of four years. He’s lucky he wasn’t the 32nd pick in the first as we would have him two more years. With or without him we win the Super Bowl in my opinion, but for jones his agent to bully the chiefs for a top 2 DL contract after one good year when he still has one left I’d wait. We still win the SB. Hell last year with the worst d in football we were a few Ford inches away from the Sb . Love to have him but he needs to finish his four year deal, prove he’s not a flash and then pay him.
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