TJ was better than Charles in Cleveland.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

I know this will catch some grief, but the reality is that other than the 20 yard run against a defense expecting a pass at the end of the first half, JC averaged less than 3 yards a carry and broke no runs of longer than 10 yards.

Charles got the ball on 3-1 at the Cleveland six at 9:31 to go in the third quarter. At that point, TJ had one more carry than Charles. One.

Charles took a two yard loss. At that point, the Chiefs started going to TJ more and more down the stretch.

I won't blame that solely on Charles, it was a combination of blocking, defense, etc.

But, clearly, the match up versus Cleveland favored Thomas Jones. It was evident in nearly every carry other than the one that JC got at the end of the half.

And, if you take out the last for TJ carries, when the Browns new that the Chiefs were going to run the ball to ice the game. If you take out those for carries, TJ averaged over 4 yards a carry in the Cleveland game.

When you really break it down, I think you might actually see what the coaches see.

I will also note that if you take the 56 yard run out of the San Diego game, TJ and JC have the same yards per carry. JC is a tremendous playmaker, but he isn't the workhorse that TJ is and TJ rarely takes a loss. TJ is always falling forward.

JC actually had one more carry than TJ in the San Diego game, but it was called back on a penalty.

Even with all this said, I think JC needs to get on the field more. However, this isn't fantasy football, you have to look at more than just the box score to understand why guys are in the game during certain situations.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

BTW Cassel sucks

[CaliforniaChief]

[loochy]

Too many new Jamaal Charles related threads. Head...exploding....ARAGAHHHH!

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Please quit it.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

[ModSocks]

Oh ****...

[Reaper16]

And until someone gives me a convincing rebuttal to my assertion that IF Charles was less effective than TJ than it was only because the way that Charles was used made him so (in that the opposing defense sold out on the run on every Charles down because 1.) they know that Charles is the Chiefs' most explosive player, and 2.) since Charles was sparingly used, it meant that when he finally did see play that the ball would likely be going to him because no one expects a team to not use its best offensive threat) I will not agree with any post that comes close to suggesting that TJ is/was better.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

And until someone gives me a convincing rebuttal to my assertion that IF Charles was less effective than TJ than it was only because the way that Charles was used made him so (in that the opposing defense sold out on the run on every Charles down because 1.) they know that Charles is the Chiefs' most explosive player, and 2.) since Charles was sparingly used, it meant that when he finally did see play that the ball would likely be going to him because no one expects a team to not use its best offensive threat) I will not agree with any post that comes close to suggesting that TJ is/was better.

The problem is that Charles isn't as good in pass protection, so of course the opposition keys on him getting the ball. I am hoping that this leads to two RB sets in the future.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

The problem is that Charles isn't as good in pass protection, so of course the opposition keys on him getting the ball. I am hoping that this leads to two RB sets in the future.

I say we run the wishbone. Put Jones right behind Cassel in the FB spot and throw Charles and McCluster behind them. Defenses wouldn't know what to do. It's not like we need a passing formation for anything.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

I say we run the wishbone. Put Jones right behind Cassel in the FB spot and throw Charles and McCluster behind them. Defenses wouldn't know what to do. It's not like we need a passing formation for anything.

I would be TOTALLY down for some old fashioned wishbone!

[booyaf2]

The game was in KC, not Cleveland. Get your facts straight.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by booyaf2

The game was in KC, not Cleveland. Get your facts straight.

Joke?

[keg in kc]

Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I know this will catch some grief, but the reality is that other than the 20 yard run against a defense expecting a pass at the end of the first half, JC averaged less than 3 yards a carry and broke no runs of longer than 10 yards.

Charles got the ball on 3-1 at the Cleveland six at 9:31 to go in the third quarter. At that point, TJ had one more carry than Charles. One.

Charles took a two yard loss. At that point, the Chiefs started going to TJ more and more down the stretch.

I won't blame that solely on Charles, it was a combination of blocking, defense, etc.

But, clearly, the match up versus Cleveland favored Thomas Jones. It was evident in nearly every carry other than the one that JC got at the end of the half.

And, if you take out the last for TJ carries, when the Browns new that the Chiefs were going to run the ball to ice the game. If you take out those for carries, TJ averaged over 4 yards a carry in the Cleveland game.

When you really break it down, I think you might actually see what the coaches see.

I will also note that if you take the 56 yard run out of the San Diego game, TJ and JC have the same yards per carry. JC is a tremendous playmaker, but he isn't the workhorse that TJ is and TJ rarely takes a loss. TJ is always falling forward.

JC actually had one more carry than TJ in the San Diego game, but it was called back on a penalty.

Even with all this said, I think JC needs to get on the field more. However, this isn't fantasy football, you have to look at more than just the box score to understand why guys are in the game during certain situations.

It has been beat to death, but with an offense that is struggling to score points, that 56 yard TD could come and any point in time. And it could come more than once per game.