Chiefs TJ was better than Charles in Cleveland. - Page 2

SenselessChiefsFan · 09-23-2010, 09:36 AM

I know this will catch some grief, but the reality is that other than the 20 yard run against a defense expecting a pass at the end of the first half, JC averaged less than 3 yards a carry and broke no runs of longer than 10 yards.

Charles got the ball on 3-1 at the Cleveland six at 9:31 to go in the third quarter. At that point, TJ had one more carry than Charles. One.

Charles took a two yard loss. At that point, the Chiefs started going to TJ more and more down the stretch.

I won't blame that solely on Charles, it was a combination of blocking, defense, etc.

But, clearly, the match up versus Cleveland favored Thomas Jones. It was evident in nearly every carry other than the one that JC got at the end of the half.

And, if you take out the last for TJ carries, when the Browns new that the Chiefs were going to run the ball to ice the game. If you take out those for carries, TJ averaged over 4 yards a carry in the Cleveland game.

When you really break it down, I think you might actually see what the coaches see.

I will also note that if you take the 56 yard run out of the San Diego game, TJ and JC have the same yards per carry. JC is a tremendous playmaker, but he isn't the workhorse that TJ is and TJ rarely takes a loss. TJ is always falling forward.

JC actually had one more carry than TJ in the San Diego game, but it was called back on a penalty.

Even with all this said, I think JC needs to get on the field more. However, this isn't fantasy football, you have to look at more than just the box score to understand why guys are in the game during certain situations.

**bevischief** · 09-23-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

WHAT THE ****? DID YOU SERIOUSLY MAKE ANOTHER TOPIC? WTF?

Do you not see the 15 other JC threads?

This x 1000.

Brock · 09-23-2010, 09:49 AM

What's the record?

Reerun_KC · 09-23-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

What's the record?

Cassel 17-17

Croyle 0-9

thread hijack!

**petegz28** · 09-23-2010, 09:50 AM

People don't want to break down the numbers. They just want to look at the YPC and leave it at that. They don't want to break down the numbers because they love jizzing all over Charles regardless.

FTR, Charles is a great back and needs the ball more. There are reasons he isn't getting it more, some playcalling and mostly shitty QB play.

SenselessChiefsFan · 09-23-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

And until someone gives me a convincing rebuttal to my assertion that IF Charles was less effective than TJ than it was only because the way that Charles was used made him so (in that the opposing defense sold out on the run on every Charles down because 1.) they know that Charles is the Chiefs' most explosive player, and 2.) since Charles was sparingly used, it meant that when he finally did see play that the ball would likely be going to him because no one expects a team to not use its best offensive threat) I will not agree with any post that comes close to suggesting that TJ is/was better.

The problem is that Charles isn't as good in pass protection, so of course the opposition keys on him getting the ball. I am hoping that this leads to two RB sets in the future.

SenselessChiefsFan · 09-23-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by booyaf2

The game was in KC, not Cleveland. Get your facts straight.

Joke?

SenselessChiefsFan · 09-23-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

It has been beat to death, but with an offense that is struggling to score points, that 56 yard TD could come and any point in time. And it could come more than once per game.

I don't think that Charles is used enough and I don't like the way he is being used. But, with that said, TJ has played as well or better than Charles. Especially on a down by down basis. And, I think the key to getting Charles more carries is keeping the offense on the field.

Hammock Parties · 09-23-2010, 06:31 PM

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Charles got the ball on 3-1 at the Cleveland six at 9:31 to go in the third quarter. At that point, TJ had one more carry than Charles. One.

Charles took a two yard loss. At that point, the Chiefs started going to TJ more and more down the stretch.

The elephant in the room, fully exposed.

Pioli Zombie · 09-23-2010, 07:07 PM

Bishop Eddie Long sucks cock.

sedated · 09-23-2010, 07:16 PM

I agree.

This whole thing has been blown out of proportion by a whiny skeptical fan-base full of arm-chair GMs.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 09-23-2010, 07:28 PM

Could we please just put McCluster in and forget about those two !!!!

CrazyHorse · 09-23-2010, 07:31 PM

So you guys would rather have Jones over Charles?

Yeah......me either. Given 20 carries a game would solve all these debates. Jones had 5 mediocre carries in one game and everyone forgets the half season Charles put together.

Charles did nothing to lose his starting job to Jones. Now were back to rbbc. Yee ****ing haw

**Saul Good** · 09-23-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I will also note that if you take the 56 yard run out of the San Diego game, TJ and JC have the same yards per carry.

If you take away the homeruns, Mark McGwire had a pretty pedestrian season in 1998.

**Saul Good** · 09-23-2010, 07:33 PM

If you take away the getting shot in the head, Abraham Lincoln enjoyed the play.

**Saul Good** · 09-23-2010, 07:34 PM

If you take away the nudity and sex, Debbie Does Dallas wasn't a very good movie.

09-23-2010, 09:36 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	TJ was better than Charles in Cleveland. I know this will catch some grief, but the reality is that other than the 20 yard run against a defense expecting a pass at the end of the first half, JC averaged less than 3 yards a carry and broke no runs of longer than 10 yards. Charles got the ball on 3-1 at the Cleveland six at 9:31 to go in the third quarter. At that point, TJ had one more carry than Charles. One. Charles took a two yard loss. At that point, the Chiefs started going to TJ more and more down the stretch. I won't blame that solely on Charles, it was a combination of blocking, defense, etc. But, clearly, the match up versus Cleveland favored Thomas Jones. It was evident in nearly every carry other than the one that JC got at the end of the half. And, if you take out the last for TJ carries, when the Browns new that the Chiefs were going to run the ball to ice the game. If you take out those for carries, TJ averaged over 4 yards a carry in the Cleveland game. When you really break it down, I think you might actually see what the coaches see. I will also note that if you take the 56 yard run out of the San Diego game, TJ and JC have the same yards per carry. JC is a tremendous playmaker, but he isn't the workhorse that TJ is and TJ rarely takes a loss. TJ is always falling forward. JC actually had one more carry than TJ in the San Diego game, but it was called back on a penalty. Even with all this said, I think JC needs to get on the field more. However, this isn't fantasy football, you have to look at more than just the box score to understand why guys are in the game during certain situations.
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CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	So you guys would rather have Jones over Charles? Yeah......me either. Given 20 carries a game would solve all these debates. Jones had 5 mediocre carries in one game and everyone forgets the half season Charles put together. Charles did nothing to lose his starting job to Jones. Now were back to rbbc. Yee ****ing haw
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