Gronkowski mulling retirement

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Gronk is all sore and maybe retiring, Brady is the shadow of what he used to be and half of the coaching staff is gone. I can see the pats going in "restructure" mode soon. They'll keep going to the playoffs for the next 20 yrs though, due to the division they're in, and facing BB in a playoff game is never easy.
That being said, the Pats dynasty as we know it has come to an end.

[stevegroganfan]

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd

Gronk is all sore and maybe retiring, Brady is the shadow of what he used to be and half of the coaching staff is gone. I can see the pats going in "restructure" mode soon. They'll keep going to the playoffs for the next 20 yrs though, due to the division they're in, and facing BB in a playoff game is never easy.
That being said, the Pats dynasty as we know it has come to an end.

There is no way in hell that the AFC East doesn't have another relatively strong team in the next 20 years. This Patriots fan recognizes the Patriots reign over AFC East will come to an end. The only question is whether its Dolphins, Bills or Jets but one of those 3 should make at least one Super Bowl over the next 20 years if not multiple Super Bowls.

Main reason Brady's numbers down this year were.
1) he did have a couple of week slump where he was uncharacteristically off with some of his passing. Blame some of that on age and you may be right. Brady brought in his qb coach and got on track.
2) Edelman suspended 4 games.
3) Gronk is slowing down a bit as a receiver and he was injured a lot this year.
4) no very good outside receiving threat.
5) Brady is happy to hand the ball off to a running back at goal line if that is the best option. Patriots had a good rookie running back score a bunch of TDs.

So Brady should decline next year since he is a year older but his numbers may go up if Patriots get a couple of very good outside threats or an outside threat and a better backup to Edelman and/or Gronk.

BB has such a great reputation that while Patriots may not win another Super Bowl the next 6-7 years especially if BB decides to replace Brady with a veteran QB or gets lucky drafting a replacement, I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots make playoffs 4 or 5 of them even if another team in AFC East becomes team to beat in the division or even conference. (I am guessing Brady misses playoffs in his last year due to declining performance and/or injuries.) Once you are in the playoffs if you have a competent QB or above and a relatively healthy team, anything can happen in a given year. Odds are stacked in favor of better QBs/better teams but lesser QBs/lesser teams still have a chance.

1985 Patriots are evidence of lesser QBs. Went to Super Bowl with Tony Eason and beat Dan Marino in Miami along the way.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by stevegroganfan

There is no way in hell that the AFC East doesn't have another relatively strong team in the next 20 years. This Patriots fan recognizes the Patriots reign over AFC East will come to an end. The only question is whether its Dolphins, Bills or Jets but one of those 3 should make at least one Super Bowl over the next 20 years if not multiple Super Bowls.

Main reason Brady's numbers down this year were.
1) he did have a couple of week slump where he was uncharacteristically off with some of his passing. Blame some of that on age and you may be right. Brady brought in his qb coach and got on track.
2) Edelman suspended 4 games.
3) Gronk is slowing down a bit as a receiver and he was injured a lot this year.
4) no very good outside receiving threat.
5) Brady is happy to hand the ball off to a running back at goal line if that is the best option. Patriots had a good rookie running back score a bunch of TDs.
6) Brady spent too much time toungeing his children instead of Gisele

So Brady should decline next year since he is a year older but his numbers may go up if Patriots get a couple of very good outside threats or an outside threat and a better backup to Edelman and/or Gronk.

BB has such a great reputation that while Patriots may not win another Super Bowl the next 6-7 years especially if BB decides to replace Brady with a veteran QB or gets lucky drafting a replacement, I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots make playoffs 4 or 5 of them even if another team in AFC East becomes team to beat in the division or even conference. (I am guessing Brady misses playoffs in his last year due to declining performance and/or injuries.) Once you are in the playoffs if you have a competent QB or above and a relatively healthy team, anything can happen in a given year. Odds are stacked in favor of better QBs/better teams but lesser QBs/lesser teams still have a chance.

1985 Patriots are evidence of lesser QBs. Went to Super Bowl with Tony Eason and beat Dan Marino in Miami along the way.

You left one out

[stevegroganfan]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

You left one out

I laughed at that one since I do think it is very weird that Brady does that with his 11 year old son but he isn't the only heterosexual guy that does that which I find weird.

My only defense of it is Brady may be especially cognizant of showing love for that child in particular since it the child is from a former girlfriend and not Gisele.

From what I read, Brady's own father did that to him to a certain extent so he is passing down a weird to me family tradition.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I'd bet anything Brady would have not been anywhere nearly as successful without BB. How would he have faired with the Browns or Jets???

If Dee Ford hadn't lined up in the neutral zone all the focus would have been how Brady blew their SB chance with a 3 int 0 TD performance and is this the end for him. One ****ing play completely changed the narrative.

**** Tom Brady and **** the Patriots!

[stevegroganfan]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

I'd bet anything Brady would have not been anywhere nearly as successful without BB. How would he have faired with the Browns or Jets???

If Dee Ford hadn't lined up in the neutral zone all the focus would have been how Brady blew their SB chance with a 3 int 0 TD performance and is this the end for him. One ****ing play completely changed the narrative.

**** Tom Brady and **** the Patriots!

Some of what you are saying is somewhat true but remember BB was an unsuccessful head coach with two different teams before Brady came along.

Brady's brilliance and willingness to put the team first may have had a coach like Rex Ryan for all of his stupidity in the HOF.

And it is true that Brady almost threw 3 or even 4 int's that game vs KC but he almost threw only 1 as well.

The big point is he did much better than nearly every NFL qb throwing into tight windows that game vs Chiefs. 7 for 14 which was much better than the other 3 qb's that played that weekend. Check out espn article if you don't believe me..... It was Brady's best tight window performance in 3 years according to the analytics people who track it.

And it is also true that while Hogan made a great one handed catch on one pass reception that he may have been slowed down slightly by Chiefs defense, it is also true that Patriots receivers dropped 5-6 very catchable balls in that game as well.

Pretty much Brady just had around 4 bad inaccurate throws that entire game and 2 of them Patriots receivers(Gronk and Edelman) could have caught and probably catch over 50% of the time. Those were the two tipped balls.

Most of Brady's other incompletions were him just throwing it away so Chiefs fast pass rush and it was pretty darn fast at times couldn't get to him. And their were the 5-6 drops.

Outside of being fooled by Chiefs linebacker in the end zone, Brady had a great game passing vs Chiefs.

Ask yourself the last team to put up 38 points against Chiefs at Arrowhead and how often that is done. It wasn't done since Sony Michel is Barry Sanders in his prime.

38 points and name Patriots main outside receiving threat. Could he make the Chiefs roster at wide receiver? Maybe but I doubt he plays much at all.

[Angry fan]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

I'd bet anything Brady would have not been anywhere nearly as successful without BB. How would he have faired with the Browns or Jets???

If Dee Ford hadn't lined up in the neutral zone all the focus would have been how Brady blew their SB chance with a 3 int 0 TD performance and is this the end for him. One ****ing play completely changed the narrative.

**** Tom Brady and **** the Patriots!

I'd bet anything if Mahomes was born and raised in Africa he wouldn't have been playing in the NFL today.

Come on man, that argument is so dumb. You can say that about every player, every human being. All that matters is the end result.

The constant Brady is nothing without Belichick to tear Brady down. And then Belichick is nothing without Brady to tear Belichick down is insanity.

Belichick and Brady make each other better, no doubt.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Angry fan

I'd bet anything if Mahomes was born and raised in Africa he wouldn't have been playing in the NFL today.

Come on man, that argument is so dumb. You can say that about every player, every human being. All that matters is the end result.

The constant Brady is nothing without Belichick to tear Brady down. And then Belichick is nothing without Brady to tear Belichick down is insanity.

Belichick and Brady make each other better, no doubt.

What I said is true. Now shuddup.

[Angry fan]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

What I said is true. Now shuddup.

If Hog's Gone Fishing didn't know how to swim and fell out of his boat, he wouldn't be here today to post this.

Just saying!

[Hammock Parties]

lmao so sad

From @NFLGameDay: #Patriots owner Robert Kraft told Rob Gronkowski he wants him back for November, December, and the playoffs. But the clock is ticking until the deadline of Nov. 30 (https://t.co/oUhq0cWR3K) pic.twitter.com/XqgegtEAEa

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 10, 2019

[ThyKingdomCome15]

To be honest I was surprised Gronk retired and never believed he was done for good. Training camp, preseason, and about all of regular season means next to nothing to him. If he chooses to remain retired then I'll be shocked. I think he'll come back.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

To be honest I was surprised Gronk retired and never believed he was done for good. Training camp, preseason, and about all of regular season means next to nothing to him. If he chooses to remain retired then I'll be shocked. I think he'll come back.

Just no.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/ro...-list-patriots


College - University of Arizona
2009

• Back Vertebral Disc Hernia, Aug. 15 (Forced Gronkowksi to miss the entire 2009 season.)

NFL - New England Patriots
2012

• High ankle sprain, Jan. 28 (Suffered during AFC Championship, but played in Super Bowl. Later underwent arthroscopic surgery in February.)

• Inguinal hip pull, Sept. 28

• Arm forearm fracture, Nov. 18 (Missed five games.)

2013

• Arm forearm fracture, Jan. 13 (Re-fractured arm, necessitating three more surgeries.)

• Back vertebral fracture, May 17 (Underwent surgery while also recovering from broken arm; didn't play until Week 7 the next season.)

• Concussion - Grade 1, Dec. 8

• Torn ACL - Grade 3, Dec. 8

• Torn MCL - Grade 3, Dec. 8 (Gronkowski suffered a concussion, a torn ACL and a torn MCL on the same play.)

2015

• Knee Strain - Grade 1, Nov. 29 (Missed one game.)

2016

• Hamstring Pull - Grade 1, Aug. 15 (Missed entire preseason and first two regular-season contests.)

• Chest Lung Bruise, Nov. 13

• Back Vertebral Disc Hernia, Nov. 27 (Missed final five regular-season games, as well playoffs. Had surgery in December.)

2017

• Leg Thigh Bruise, Oct. 1 (Missed one game.)

2018

• Concussion - Grade 1, Jan. 21

• Back/Ankle - (Missed three games)


Plus he had a very serious thigh bruise which he said kept him up crying in pain after the Super Bowl win. Imagine instead of being able to party and celebrate, you're basically just in massive pain due to a hard tackle. That sucks....

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Just no.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/ro...-list-patriots


College - University of Arizona
2009

• Back Vertebral Disc Hernia, Aug. 15 (Forced Gronkowksi to miss the entire 2009 season.)

NFL - New England Patriots
2012

• High ankle sprain, Jan. 28 (Suffered during AFC Championship, but played in Super Bowl. Later underwent arthroscopic surgery in February.)

• Inguinal hip pull, Sept. 28

• Arm forearm fracture, Nov. 18 (Missed five games.)

2013

• Arm forearm fracture, Jan. 13 (Re-fractured arm, necessitating three more surgeries.)

• Back vertebral fracture, May 17 (Underwent surgery while also recovering from broken arm; didn't play until Week 7 the next season.)

• Concussion - Grade 1, Dec. 8

• Torn ACL - Grade 3, Dec. 8

• Torn MCL - Grade 3, Dec. 8 (Gronkowski suffered a concussion, a torn ACL and a torn MCL on the same play.)

2015

• Knee Strain - Grade 1, Nov. 29 (Missed one game.)

2016

• Hamstring Pull - Grade 1, Aug. 15 (Missed entire preseason and first two regular-season contests.)

• Chest Lung Bruise, Nov. 13

• Back Vertebral Disc Hernia, Nov. 27 (Missed final five regular-season games, as well playoffs. Had surgery in December.)

2017

• Leg Thigh Bruise, Oct. 1 (Missed one game.)

2018

• Concussion - Grade 1, Jan. 21

• Back/Ankle - (Missed three games)


Plus he had a very serious thigh bruise which he said kept him up crying in pain after the Super Bowl win. Imagine instead of being able to party and celebrate, you're basically just in massive pain due to a hard tackle. That sucks....

Yeah, that is a compelling case for him to stay retired. Robert Kraft and Brady both told him they want him back. That deadline for him to commit or stay home is fast approaching.

(I don't think that weight loss would be good for him taking hits either.)

[GloryDayz]

Let's hope if the ****ing dolt comes back, somebody has the guts to, well, you know, tackle him really hard!

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Let's hope if the ****ing dolt comes back, somebody has the guts to, well, you know, tackle him really hard!

In my opinion, KC got the Honey Badger with Gronk in mind.