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Donx winning because their players are more cerebral?
Begs the question as to how intelligent (in a football sense) the players that Carl and Herm amassed over the last few years were. I really question it because the first thing Herm did when he took over was to make Solari the OC and he wanted to "simplify" the offense. And Gunther has never really been about cerebral defense, he's been more about aggression and punching the other team in the mouth. His defenses were never known much for their soundness as much as they were known for their aggressiveness. Makes me think that these "intelligent" players that Pioli wants here didn't really exist to a great extent, or up to now they had been coached really poorly...
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10-22-2009, 01:37 PM | #2 |
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I've said a hundred times that NFL coaches do not emphasize intelligence enough.
Lots of coaches given two players will pick the guy with a 1 tenth faster 40 time over a guy with 15-20 points more on the Wonderlic and that's ****ing backwards if you ask me. Also there was an article about the Patriots emphasizing intelligence more than other teams that came out maybe 5 or 6 years ago and I always wondered why it never caught on in this supposed "copycat" league. |
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Wait until the end of the year and pull that article up and see if it still sounds valid.
A lot of times things just happen that defy explanation and people reach for all sorts of stuff trying to explain it. None of the players on Denvers D had ever been acused of being "overtly cerebral" elsewhere. It's likely more an issue of having a defensive coordinator who likes to make halftime adjustment going against offensive coordinators who don't, with the addition of a considerable amount of luck. Don't forget in '05 Denvers D started off red hot. I believe they set some type of NFL record for points allowed, but they ended up getting shredded. Quote:
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10-22-2009, 03:53 PM | #4 |
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At certain positions yes. I'd say in a 3-4, it's your safety. On offense, it's your center and QB.
We're fine from a cerebral standpoint on all three of those positions. Cassel, Niswanger, and Brown are incredibly bright. Niswanger and Brown just don't have the talent or athleticism to make plays. Cassel... we'll see--I personally think he'll do fine. But that right there is an indictment on that argument. The guys that are getting whooped are out-physicalled and outplayed. They're not getting outsmarted. |
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10-22-2009, 03:59 PM | #5 |
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10-22-2009, 04:24 PM | #6 |
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Herm wanted no one on the team that was smarter than he. See what we have now?
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Not another Donko thread!
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10-23-2009, 06:55 AM | #9 |
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Everyone's trying to figure it out...
I don't know if they have a bunch of brainiacs or not, but I think the approach paid off. Bowlen fired Shanahan and ripped out that "very HC controlled" way of managing the team. Bowlen took back control of his team... giving Xanders and McDaniels their roles and marching orders. McD is a very young head coach, but he surrounded himself with a veteran staff. A few people on the staff were retained, but he made the big move of bringing in Nolan. McD realized his strength and it was offense, so if they were going to do anything different from the final years of Shanahan, they had to fix the defense... so, he brings in Nolan and they get to work. Look at the new guys that are starting on Defense... maybe they are "cerebral", I dunno. But, I do know that they're veterans with nice track records and most of them came in without much fanfare. Offensively, they made moves to change the QB and RB, but aside from that (as if it were minor), they left it in tact. So, they have a very experienced staff supporting McDaniels and most of their FAs (Dawkins, Hill, Goodman, Davis, Gafney, etc) were good players with leadership ability. I think the leadership ability (more than 'cerebral') is the key reason they're not breaking down in the 2nd half of games. <<<< I just hope Bowlen is ready to pay up... some key guys are due for a pay increase. http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_13613940 "Orton is in the final year of his contract, but so is Elvis Dumervil, who leads the NFL with 10 sacks, as well as starting guards Ben Hamilton and Chris Kuper, tight end Tony Scheffler and Marshall."
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Ok....to this point they played the Bengals( won on a hand from god).. the Raiders, and Cowboys, both teams that the Chiefs should of beaten..The browns, who lets face it, are worse then the Chiefs, and the Chargers , who are just a few players away from being the Chiefs... and that leaves the only impressive win that they have had all year.. The Pats, and that was when Tommy Boy still hadn't come out his shell....
So with that in mind, I have to call this article a big fat........FAIL...due to the fact that giving credit for making half time adjustments against the Browns, Cowboys, Raiders and Chargers, is like giving credit to a able minded person for getting a higher math score, then some one with dowysyndrume it just don't make sense...The only game that I will give them half a credit for is the Pats..other then that, no go.. THIS POST IS EXTREMLY BIAS...CUS I HATE THE DONKEYS. Last edited by Dottefan; 10-23-2009 at 08:38 PM.. |
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Ah, yes. The year that our D was decimated by injuries because our O couldn't stay on the field.
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10-24-2009, 01:49 AM | #15 |
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all I know is that in the 2nd half of that san diego game their d was using tons of looks
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