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Old 12-04-2019, 10:05 AM   Topic Starter
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Chris Jones pending [contract] situation
OK, so I was in the camp earlier in the season (right or wrong) that he was a great pass rusher inside but struggled against the run inside.

Yeah, I was wrong.

He's improved on that a lot this year, he's a complete all around player. He dominated Gabe Jackson and company inside against Oakland. That's not easy. He was splitting doubles, making dudes look foolish.

You've gotta keep that guy around. He's a top 10 defensive player in the league at this point, it's tough to let those guys walk.

What is everything thinking now?
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:07 AM   #2
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It's important to point out that the "top ten" argument was said about Houston and Berry.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:13 AM   #3
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It's important to point out that the "top ten" argument was said about Houston and Berry.
It was said about Kelce and Hill too.

Stop being so damn afraid of contracts.

My thinking is the same as it's ever been. Blue chip players make big plays in big games and that's why you pay to keep them.

You don't build rosters around JAG's, you build them around difference makers.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:21 AM   #4
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You don't build rosters around JAG's, you build them around difference makers.
This is definitely the reason you keep him, if you do.

You look at a game like Oakland this past week, why are we beating them so handily? I don’t think the gap is THAT big in terms of coaching, but we definitely have the edge.

The big key is difference making talent. Oakland doesn’t have enough yet to compete with Kansas City. Most teams don’t.

Then there’s the flip side of the argument, which regardless of which example people want to use (Berry, Houston, Clark to some degree here early), all revolves around injuries. If Jones starts to break down physically, we’ll be in a damn tough spot.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:27 AM   #5
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It was said about Kelce and Hill too.

Stop being so damn afraid of contracts.

My thinking is the same as it's ever been. Blue chip players make big plays in big games and that's why you pay to keep them.

You don't build rosters around JAG's, you build them around difference makers.
Difference makers like Eric Berry, Justin Houston and now Frank Clark. Oh and how about Sammy Watkins?

Putting a shit ton of your capital into one entity, especially when you have a $200 million QB, is not exactly smart stuff.

Most of our playmakers have been cheap players or rookies.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:36 AM   #6
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It was said about Kelce and Hill too.

Stop being so damn afraid of contracts.

My thinking is the same as it's ever been. Blue chip players make big plays in big games and that's why you pay to keep them.

You don't build rosters around JAG's, you build them around difference makers.
I'm not fundamentally opposed to signing him.

Mahomes and the OL need to take priority imho, though. The Andrew Luck is a big lesson that the Chiefs need to follow.
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Old 12-04-2019, 12:19 PM   #7
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It was said about Kelce and Hill too.

Stop being so damn afraid of contracts.

My thinking is the same as it's ever been. Blue chip players make big plays in big games and that's why you pay to keep them.

You don't build rosters around JAG's, you build them around difference makers.
I was one of the ones skeptical about paying Hill full market value. Obviously the allegations against him changed the market, but Hill signed a fairly team friendly deal. His per year salary is up there but the guaranteed amount is not.

So I think that is a great deal for KC.

So as others are saying, if he will take a team friendly deal do it. If he wants full market value, tag and trade.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:10 AM   #8
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Sign him to a long term deal. Pay him what is due. Give the guy his cheddar. Make him a Chief for life. Jones and the Chiefs forever!
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:11 AM   #9
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yea he's great but we gotta pay mahomes and also still field a team so don't think he is sticking around if he's asking aaron donald cash.
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yea he's great but we gotta pay mahomes and also still field a team so don't think he is sticking around if he's asking aaron donald cash.
Defence already isn’t great, so you want to take more talent away from it? You can’t build around Mahomes when you lose your best players and he’s not on the field because the D can’t stop a nosebleed.
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My opinion is the same as it’s been. If he’ll take less-than-Donald money I’m in. Probably tag and trade otherwise. I do think his attitude given his contract situation and his flexibility moving to the outside has made him more valuable to us. I just can’t get him to Donald money if I’m pulling the trigger.

In hindsight, I wish we just would have given him Frank Clark’s money and found a JAG at DE. Because MOTHER ****ER.
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Whew....by the title I thought he got in some trouble off the field or something.
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Whew....by the title I thought he got in some trouble off the field or something.
No shit. That title sucks all the dicks. Put me into a little panic.
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Whew....by the title I thought he got in some trouble off the field or something.
Because... Chiefs.

We are preconditioned to that response.
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I’m torn as **** on this one.

I’ll wait and see the rest of the season, that’s where he will make his money (or not).
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