Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props - Page 10

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

**Dave Lane** · 04-29-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This team is a lot better because he was here. It amazes me how critics will downplay the improvement a lot of players made under his watch. Maybe he wasn't the best long-term fit for a coach. But I'm very glad he was the coach for the time he was here.

I miss Haley already. Dude was great at motivating players in odd ways. Sometimes he pissed them off but sometimes they needed that.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-29-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I don't think Orton wanted to stay here. I don't know why, but he certainly has to know he'd have a better shot at playing as a backup in KC than Dallas. Orton didn't want to come to KC in the first place... he wanted to go to Chicago, and even put out a threat through the media to try and keep the Chiefs from claiming him. I don't blame Pioli for that one. You can't hold guys against their will.

Maybe he's as dumb as Pioli and believes Matt is a good QB, thus giving him no shot at starting.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-29-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

You like Cassel. You have zero room to talk.

You're the biased one. I don't give one **** if Cassel loses his job. You are the biased one. You're just too stupid to understand that. If QUinn (or anyone else) takes his job, I'm fine with it.

But **** you and anyone else who just wants to hand it to someone without a competition.

If anyone has no room to talk, it is people like you who try to shout down the voices of reason because logic hurts their tiny little brains.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-29-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

You're the biased one. I don't give one **** if Cassel loses his job. You are the biased one. You're just too stupid to understand that. If QUinn (or anyone else) takes his job, I'm fine with it.

But **** you and anyone else who just wants to hand it to someone without a competition.

If anyone has no room to talk, it is people like you who try to shout down the voices of reason because logic hurts their tiny little brains.

WTF are you talking about? Moron.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-29-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

no offense but Pee Wee Herman could have played OB for the Chiefs and made the pro bowl with that schedule.

That is the only come back you have for people proving your list was stupid?

Herp Durp

tk13 · 04-29-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Maybe he's as dumb as Pioli and believes Matt is a good QB, thus giving him no shot at starting.

He didn't even try to find a starting job, or a place where he'd have a chance to start. He just went straight to Dallas and signed as a backup. Maybe he's happy holding a clipboard at this point.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-29-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

WTF are you talking about? Moron.

Sorry , I forgot your reading level was about 1st grade. Let me rephrase in a way you might understand.

NO U DONT TALK CUZ YOU ALRADY MAD UR MIND UP. PLUS I DONT GIVE ONE **** ABOUT CASSEL.

milkman · 04-29-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Let's count all the reasons Pioli sucks:

Scott Pioli inherited a 2-14 team stockpiled with some of the worst players in the NFL. In three seasons, he has rebuilt it into a perennial playoff contender. He hired Todd Haley, boo hoo. Todd Haley and his staff actually took players like Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson and got them to reach their potential. Glenn Dorsey was a lost cause until Haley showed up and made him work off the gut.

When the relationship with Haley was unsalvageable, Pioli cut ties. He has drafted well, even when you don't like it. The only bad draft we've had with him has been the Tyson Jackson year, which was atrocious, but the guy had three months with the scouts to pick these guys. Scouts are out ALL year looking for the types of players you want. It was also an historically weak draft.

Pioli traded for Matt Cassel, yeah. And it was a great trade. We got Mike Vrabel, who was absolutely instrumental in our transition to the 3-4, and a starting quarterback for a second round pick.

Did Cassel have a pro bowl year? Where he threw 27 TD to 7 INT? Where he took us to the playoffs? Yes. Okay, then. I'll take that for a second round pick any time.

The fact that Cassel has proven, OVER TIME, to not be the answer at QB is in no way an indictment of Pioli. We didn't know he wasn't the answer! He sure as hell looked like it in 2010. But oh boy, now that we know, we sure are ready to put Pioli in the doghouse for bringing him in. Hindsight is 20/20, and you have lasers coming out of your eyes. Settle down.

Pioli is going to be around for a LONG TIME. And frankly, I couldn't be happier. To be a good team, you have to have consistency, and that includes the front office. This team was one blocked field goal away from the playoffs last year, and that's after losing Berry, Charles, Moeaki, firing the head coach and losing the starting QB, and without their #1 draft pick for several weeks. And against a first-place schedule.

This team is getting really good. Yes, we need a new QB, but did you really want Kirk freaking Cousins? Nick Foles? Come on, man. If we're taking a quarterback, it is going to be the best in the draft, not the seventh guy off the board with a noodle arm.

Let's give Pioli the benefit of the doubt in this draft, because he has acces to these players that we don't.

But let's also forget that the one player that he had the most access to, by far, is his biggest whiff.

That about sum it up?

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-29-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Sorry , I forgot your reading level was about 1st grade. Let me rephrase in a way you might understand.

NO U DONT TALK CUZ YOU ALRADY MAD UR MIND UP. PLUS I DONT GIVE ONE **** ABOUT CASSEL.

more dumbassery from you.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-29-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

You're the biased one. I don't give one **** if Cassel loses his job. You are the biased one. You're just too stupid to understand that. If QUinn (or anyone else) takes his job, I'm fine with it.

But **** you and anyone else who just wants to hand it to someone without a competition.

If anyone has no room to talk, it is people like you who try to shout down the voices of reason because logic hurts their tiny little brains.

Competition? Cassel's played his way out of the starting job for years. If anything, he's the one who has to prove that he deserves to keep it.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-29-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Competition? Cassel's played his way out of the starting job for years. If anything, he's the one who has to prove that he deserves to keep it.

So last season you would've started who?

Big Chief Homer · 04-29-2012, 12:58 PM

[QUOTE=saphojunkie;8580864]Let's count all the reasons Pioli sucks:

Pioli traded for Matt Cassel, yeah. And it was a great trade. We got Mike Vrabel, who was absolutely instrumental in our transition to the 3-4, and a starting quarterback for a second round pick.

Did Cassel have a pro bowl year? Where he threw 27 TD to 7 INT? Where he took us to the playoffs? Yes. Okay, then. I'll take that for a second round pick any time.

The fact that Cassel has proven, OVER TIME, to not be the answer at QB is in no way an indictment of Pioli. We didn't know he wasn't the answer! He sure as hell looked like it in 2010. But oh boy, now that we know, we sure are ready to put Pioli in the doghouse for bringing him in. Hindsight is 20/20, and you have lasers coming out of your eyes. Settle down.

I love how many times the Cassel apologists say he is a pro bowler and took us to the playoffs.

1- He was the 2nd alternate.The only reason he went to Hawaii is because Brady and I think Carson Palmer decided not to waste their time.

2- We got to the playoffs on the legs of Jamal Charles and the running game and the brain of Charlie Weiss. Not because of Matt Cassel.

3-The Cassel trade was not a good one.He is vastly overpaid for what he brings.He couldnt learn the verbage,cant read a defense and has a noodle arm.So yes Id rather have Cousins or Moore or anyone who actually played in college or high school.also,Vrable couldnt tackle a sack of peanuts.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-29-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Right....ZERO. That's why it will happen....Were you part of the same crowd begging for Croyle to start?

Over Huard? Absolutely. Over Cassel? No.

But back then, we didn't know what Cassel had. We gave him a chance. He failed. He's not going to take us to the Super Bowl. If you know your QB has zero chance to take you to a Super Bowl and you have a guy on your bench who might still have a long shot chance to do it, then you take the chance on that guy.

And don't sell the bullshit that "you don't know if Cassel can make the SUper bowl because the season hasn't started yet." You'd have to be blinder than Stevie Wonder to not see that Cassel does not have a Super Bowl skill set.

milkman · 04-29-2012, 01:04 PM

In 2010, Cassel had 27 TDs with 7 ints.

That's the number everyone points to prop him up.

But he passed for just over 200 yards per game, a number enhanced by a 469 garbage time yards in a blowout loss.

He completed less than 60% of his passes, and averaged fewer than 7 ypa, a number propped up by yac from his receivers.

And he only won one game against a playoff opponent, a 7-9 Seahawk team.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-29-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

So last season you would've started who?

Cassel.

But I also would have actually made an effort to get somebody in the offseason. Something the Chiefs didn't do for 3 full seasons. Pioli's arrogance decided that the only competition for Cassel was a career third stringer and a 5th round rookie.

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1528179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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04-29-2012, 12:58 PM	#147
Big Chief Homer Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: offseason hell Casino cash: $10009985	[QUOTE=saphojunkie;8580864]Let's count all the reasons Pioli sucks: Pioli traded for Matt Cassel, yeah. And it was a great trade. We got Mike Vrabel, who was absolutely instrumental in our transition to the 3-4, and a starting quarterback for a second round pick. Did Cassel have a pro bowl year? Where he threw 27 TD to 7 INT? Where he took us to the playoffs? Yes. Okay, then. I'll take that for a second round pick any time. The fact that Cassel has proven, OVER TIME, to not be the answer at QB is in no way an indictment of Pioli. We didn't know he wasn't the answer! He sure as hell looked like it in 2010. But oh boy, now that we know, we sure are ready to put Pioli in the doghouse for bringing him in. Hindsight is 20/20, and you have lasers coming out of your eyes. Settle down. I love how many times the Cassel apologists say he is a pro bowler and took us to the playoffs. 1- He was the 2nd alternate.The only reason he went to Hawaii is because Brady and I think Carson Palmer decided not to waste their time. 2- We got to the playoffs on the legs of Jamal Charles and the running game and the brain of Charlie Weiss. Not because of Matt Cassel. 3-The Cassel trade was not a good one.He is vastly overpaid for what he brings.He couldnt learn the verbage,cant read a defense and has a noodle arm.So yes Id rather have Cousins or Moore or anyone who actually played in college or high school.also,Vrable couldnt tackle a sack of peanuts. __________________ “I’m at the prime of my career right now. I’m living life and doing the best I can do right now. We have a really good team on paper, we just have to get the chemistry down and put it all together. There’s no ceiling for Derrick Johnson.” Last edited by Big Chief Homer; 04-29-2012 at 01:05 PM..
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	In 2010, Cassel had 27 TDs with 7 ints. That's the number everyone points to prop him up. But he passed for just over 200 yards per game, a number enhanced by a 469 garbage time yards in a blowout loss. He completed less than 60% of his passes, and averaged fewer than 7 ypa, a number propped up by yac from his receivers. And he only won one game against a playoff opponent, a 7-9 Seahawk team. __________________
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