Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props - Page 9

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

milkman · 04-29-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Assuming that this is, in fact, true, then how and why in the **** does this team keep hanging on with Cassel? You would think that if this is the way they really feel that they would jettison his ass yesterday.

Pioli believes in Cassel.

**BossChief** · 04-29-2012, 12:13 PM

Cassel is like the bosses son.

He can be the most worthless part of the company, but you just know that if you speak up about it that you could get fired...so you say nice things about him and ignore the fact that you wish he would jump off a bridge.

tk13 · 04-29-2012, 12:14 PM

Game strategy and talent evaluation are two completely different things. It's interesting in that we have the same people doing both sometimes.

There are certainly times where fans would've probably made a more logical game strategy decision than a coach. You see so many terrible time management moves and poor challenges, etc. And there are plenty of times where fans have no clue why a guy falls off the earth. Look at how so many people wanted Burfict in the 7th yesterday. But it's not like anyone here sat down and actually talked to the guy like NFL teams did though. If your job is on the line and you have some guy acting out of control and he tells you it's not his fault and it was just poor officiating, you probably aren't going to draft him either.

suzzer99 · 04-29-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You really should read the book I mentioned earlier.

I didn't see the name of the book anywhere.

Also just to be clear, I'm not saying you can't judge coaching decisions, especially with a full year or more of results, or draft decisions after a few years.

beach tribe · 04-29-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You want to draft a WR in the 4th round? Fine. How about you draft a guy who's not a white brokedick piece of shit?

You sir, are a racist.

...but you already knew that.

**Donger** · 04-29-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You want to draft a WR in the 4th round? Fine. How about you draft a guy who's not a white brokedick piece of shit?

Is that really part of your selection criteria?

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-29-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

lets count all the things Pioli's done to deserve props.

1. Traded For Castle
2. Drafted T Jack
3. Hired Haley
4. Let Orton Walk (not a Franchise QB but better than anyone we have on the roster)
5. Drafted Poe when he should have worked a trade to at least get the third best QB in this years draft.

yeah Pioli deserves mucho props, if it wasnt form Herms great draft of 08 he would have been fired already.

1) We got Castle and Vrabel for a second round pick. BFD, it was worth a try.
2) No real comment on this one....
3) I kinda think he got thrown under the bus. I liked the try.
4) Who cares.
5)WOuldn't it be better to wait and see? I mean if Poe turns out to be beast you will be wrong on this one.

If that list of 5 things is the worst you can do, then you haven't really said much. This franchise was utter shit when Pioli took over. I personally like the way it seems to be going.

beach tribe · 04-29-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Is that really part of your selection criteria?

Sure would be if we were playing basketball......amirite??

**Donger** · 04-29-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Sure would be if we were playing basketball......amirite??

No.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-29-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There is zero reason not to start the season with Brady Quinn.

Right....ZERO. That's why it will happen....Were you part of the same crowd begging for Croyle to start?

saphojunkie · 04-29-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

lets count all the things Pioli's done to deserve props.

1. Traded For Castle
2. Drafted T Jack
3. Hired Haley
4. Let Orton Walk (not a Franchise QB but better than anyone we have on the roster)
5. Drafted Poe when he should have worked a trade to at least get the third best QB in this years draft.

yeah Pioli deserves mucho props, if it wasnt form Herms great draft of 08 he would have been fired already.

Let's count all the reasons Pioli sucks:

Scott Pioli inherited a 2-14 team stockpiled with some of the worst players in the NFL. In three seasons, he has rebuilt it into a perennial playoff contender. He hired Todd Haley, boo hoo. Todd Haley and his staff actually took players like Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson and got them to reach their potential. Glenn Dorsey was a lost cause until Haley showed up and made him work off the gut.

When the relationship with Haley was unsalvageable, Pioli cut ties. He has drafted well, even when you don't like it. The only bad draft we've had with him has been the Tyson Jackson year, which was atrocious, but the guy had three months with the scouts to pick these guys. Scouts are out ALL year looking for the types of players you want. It was also an historically weak draft.

Pioli traded for Matt Cassel, yeah. And it was a great trade. We got Mike Vrabel, who was absolutely instrumental in our transition to the 3-4, and a starting quarterback for a second round pick.

Did Cassel have a pro bowl year? Where he threw 27 TD to 7 INT? Where he took us to the playoffs? Yes. Okay, then. I'll take that for a second round pick any time.

The fact that Cassel has proven, OVER TIME, to not be the answer at QB is in no way an indictment of Pioli. We didn't know he wasn't the answer! He sure as hell looked like it in 2010. But oh boy, now that we know, we sure are ready to put Pioli in the doghouse for bringing him in. Hindsight is 20/20, and you have lasers coming out of your eyes. Settle down.

Pioli is going to be around for a LONG TIME. And frankly, I couldn't be happier. To be a good team, you have to have consistency, and that includes the front office. This team was one blocked field goal away from the playoffs last year, and that's after losing Berry, Charles, Moeaki, firing the head coach and losing the starting QB, and without their #1 draft pick for several weeks. And against a first-place schedule.

This team is getting really good. Yes, we need a new QB, but did you really want Kirk freaking Cousins? Nick Foles? Come on, man. If we're taking a quarterback, it is going to be the best in the draft, not the seventh guy off the board with a noodle arm.

BoneKrusher · 04-29-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Did Cassel have a pro bowl year? Where he threw 27 TD to 7 INT? Where he took us to the playoffs? Yes. Okay, then. I'll take that for a second round pick any time.

no offense but Pee Wee Herman could have played OB for the Chiefs and made the pro bowl with that schedule.

JoeyChuckles · 04-29-2012, 12:42 PM

Like stage props?

Or mad props?

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-29-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Right....ZERO. That's why it will happen....Were you part of the same crowd begging for Croyle to start?

You like Cassel. You have zero room to talk.

tk13 · 04-29-2012, 12:43 PM

I don't think Orton wanted to stay here. I don't know why, but he certainly has to know he'd have a better shot at playing as a backup in KC than Dallas. Orton didn't want to come to KC in the first place... he wanted to go to Chicago, and even put out a threat through the media to try and keep the Chiefs from claiming him. I don't blame Pioli for that one. You can't hold guys against their will.

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1518179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1852500	Game strategy and talent evaluation are two completely different things. It's interesting in that we have the same people doing both sometimes. There are certainly times where fans would've probably made a more logical game strategy decision than a coach. You see so many terrible time management moves and poor challenges, etc. And there are plenty of times where fans have no clue why a guy falls off the earth. Look at how so many people wanted Burfict in the 7th yesterday. But it's not like anyone here sat down and actually talked to the guy like NFL teams did though. If your job is on the line and you have some guy acting out of control and he tells you it's not his fault and it was just poor officiating, you probably aren't going to draft him either.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1852500	I don't think Orton wanted to stay here. I don't know why, but he certainly has to know he'd have a better shot at playing as a backup in KC than Dallas. Orton didn't want to come to KC in the first place... he wanted to go to Chicago, and even put out a threat through the media to try and keep the Chiefs from claiming him. I don't blame Pioli for that one. You can't hold guys against their will.
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