***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by stumppy

You're "lead surgeon" friend also works in the administrative side in admitting?

NO
They (surgeon group) had a complete collapse of elective surgery, saw over 50% of the nurses getting laid off and did some digging.
His exact words were- "this thing is complete BS"
over 1/2 of the hospital was empty.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Donger

Here you go:

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...D-19-payments/

Oh sure
"factcheck" got it
LOL

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

Oh sure
"factcheck" got it
LOL

Did you read it? It states that hospitals get more $$$ for vented COVID patients.

You were right...

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

NO
They (surgeon group) had a complete collapse of elective surgery, saw over 50% of the nurses getting laid off and did some digging.
His exact words were- "this thing is complete BS"
over 1/2 of the hospital was empty.

WTF would anyone have to "do some digging"? Hell, about everyone knew elective surgery was being put off.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Did you read it? It states that hospitals get more $$$ for vented COVID patients.......

Here is the deal as explained to me by my friend (fictional according to Stump)
Hospitals were forced into shit hit the fan mode.
Hospitals saw a way to make up $$$ with COVID and took advantage of it.
My take away-
Covid is bad for some but is being overblown. Shutting down elective surgery hit a bottom line and a biz (hosptital) does what it needs (hand outs) to survive.

No I did not read it. I stopped at fact check. I can give you a myriad of things they have purposely misrepresented.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by loochy

DFW hasn't blown up yet. I'm not sure about San Antonio. Austin actually has a pretty dense urban center with a LOT of young folk that probably don't take this seriously, so that's not a surprise. I'm not sure what Houston's problem is.

Bill O'Brien?

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Bill O'Brien?

he's over thar' kneeling on another thread

[TLO]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Mercedes Benz Superdome announces that an astounding 11.6% of workers — 32 of the 275 — renovating the building have tested positive for the Coronavirus.

— Darren Rovell (@darrenrovell) June 16, 2020

Why is this astounding?

[BigCatDaddy]

Down to about 800 deaths or less a day now with a drug available to trim a 1/3 off that. Good news!

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Down to about 800 deaths or less a day now with a drug available to trim a 1/3 off that. Good news!

That does not fit the narrative..............

[44yearsandcounting]

If there is a narrative, and it’s political in nature, who is putting their money on a mid September push to lockdown again?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by 44yearsandcounting

If there is a narrative, and it’s political in nature, who is putting their money on a mid September push to lockdown again?

"Virus cases rise during season when coronavirus numbers typically start going back up. Film at 11."

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Down to about 800 deaths or less a day now with a drug available to trim a 1/3 off that. Good news!

I don't think there's enough credit being given to how big of a deal dexamethasone might be. I haven't been able to find the study yet, (I'm not sure it has been released) - but I'm looking forward to reading it.

[JakeLV]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

Did you read it? It states that hospitals get more $$$ for vented COVID patients.......

Here is the deal as explained to me by my friend (fictional according to Stump)
Hospitals were forced into shit hit the fan mode.
Hospitals saw a way to make up $$$ with COVID and took advantage of it.
My take away-
Covid is bad for some but is being overblown. Shutting down elective surgery hit a bottom line and a biz (hosptital) does what it needs (hand outs) to survive.

No I did not read it. I stopped at fact check. I can give you a myriad of things they have purposely misrepresented.

20% increase on Medicare payments literally doesn’t even come close to covering the gap.

https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-b...he-literature/

From what I’ve seen, private doesn't pay more, so this doesn’t pass the sniff test.

[BWillie]

We need to stop making this political.

The truth is. Did we overcompensate for this? I don't think so. It happened in cold and flu season and we saved many lives. Now during the summer is this a massive deal? It depends. We are seeing 20 to 30k a day new cases. How much risk are we willing to accept?

To me, now that we know an idea about CFR below 60. The key is to protect our elderly population. You are still ar risk being younger. But do not spread to grandpa. I was vehemently against my gmas 82ndh bday party. Shes old. Terrible idea. My mom is 54. Who gives much of a shit.

Understand though that this will be back with a vengeance in the fall. Cold and Flu season is real. After Sept 1, if you want rhe Chiefs to continue playing football wear a N95 mask I find them quite comfortable and dont notice the breathe blowing back in my face as much.

Covid19 is not a hoax. But it is not a massive grim reaper to all either. Be smart. Understand this will flare up later in the year.