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Old 04-28-2010, 07:14 PM  
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Kansas City Chiefs: Grade: B-

They had seven picks and all they have to show for their draft is one starter (receiver Dwayne Bowe) and backup running back Kolby Smith. That's not a good haul. Bowe, the first-round pick, has been a good player. But the Chiefs blew picks on defensive linemen in the second and third rounds; Turk McBride and Tank Tyler are now with other teams. Smith is a solid backup who has started, so he has some value as a fifth-round pick. But that's it.
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:00 PM   #46
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We shall see.

I will disagree with both you and Milkman and say for sure 1 will be out of the league in 2 years if not both within 3.
Well, I was a much bigger fan of Turk than Tank. But, I think both will be 10 year players.
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:14 PM   #47
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I'm just going to insult you just cause it doesn't seem right not to, even though I agree with you here.

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Old 04-28-2010, 09:15 PM   #48
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I think you might be right on this, they are decent players in the right scheme
I agree with everyone that's posted in this thread that you are an A+ dumbass
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:16 PM   #49
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I think you will be proven wrong. #1) I don't think Cassel will be considered since he wasn't a draft pick.

#2) I think the Chiefs will have a solid starter in Tyson Jackson, a good rotational guy in Alex McGee, and a decent backup TE. And, of course, a kicker that's very, very good.

I imagine most grade that draft a B when we are three years out..... especially if the defense improves.

To be clear, I personally don't think that you should get a 'decent' starter at #3. However, the draft is a crap shoot regardless of the pick #. So, if TJ turns out to be a solid 10 year starter, then most would call it a 'good' pick. I would call it a 'passing grade' pick..... but fans are a little more jaded.
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Tyson Jackson will NEVER be Oher, Harvin, Maclin, Matthews or Cushing.

For THAT alone, he deserves an F- at #3 overall.
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To be fair, the thing that makes good drafts is projecting the players that fit your system.
Bullshit.

A good football players is a good football player is a good football player.

If you're drafting a guy in the Top Five that has no value outside of a particular system, you've drafted the wrong guy.

Especially on defense.
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I also speak broken Italiano as a party trick since all of my relatives from Italy are dead.
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:20 PM   #53
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To be fair, the thing that makes good drafts is projecting the players that fit your system. There are some guys that can play any system. But, most players have systems that they are good fits in.... systems that take advantage of their talent.

I liked Kuharich.... but he had been drafting for the Tampa Two. I don't think Pioli felt comfortable with their evaluation of guys for the 3-4.

In the end, I think 2009 will be a good foundation. Could they have done better? Yes. But, TJ will be a good 3-4 end for the next 10 years. If they solve positions like that with each of their first round picks, that will build a solid, solid foundation and a good team.

JMO.
That's well and good.

But does that relate to offensive linemen? Or most offensive players? Or players in the secondary?

Does that relate to judging character, work ethic, etc...?

It was a huge mistake to freeze them out. You don't have to take their word as law, but to ignore them outright? What was the purpose of that?
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:21 PM   #54
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Here is my draft from 2007
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1. Dwayne Bowe, WR LSU
2. Tank Tyler, DT North Carolina State
3. Marshal Yanda, T/G Iowa
5. Clifton Ryan, DT/DE Michigan State
5. Justin Medlock, K UCLA
6. Mike Otto, T Purdue
7. Darius Walker, RB Notre Dame

Other than Medlock all my guys are at least backups in the league.
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Here is my draft from 2007
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...9&postcount=17
1. Dwayne Bowe, WR LSU
2. Tank Tyler, DT North Carolina State
3. Marshal Yanda, T/G Iowa
5. Clifton Ryan, DT/DE Michigan State
5. Justin Medlock, K UCLA
6. Mike Otto, T Purdue
7. Darius Walker, RB Notre Dame

Other than Medlock all my guys are at least backups in the league.
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Bullshit.

A good football players is a good football player is a good football player.

If you're drafting a guy in the Top Five that has no value outside of a particular system, you've drafted the wrong guy.

Especially on defense.
Just one of the many things that we disagree on.

But, if the Chiefs switched to a 4-3, Tyson Jackson would make a good run stuffing end. You could put him on the strong side and still have a very good starter. He would make a better 4-3 end than Dorsey makes a 3-4 end.

And, Dorsey was taken top five, and we all loved it.

It is ridiculous to say that scheme and system don't matter. As I said, some guys can play any system.... but 75% of the league has their success determined by how well the coaches' system utilizes them.
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Here is my draft from 2007
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...9&postcount=17
1. Dwayne Bowe, WR LSU
2. Tank Tyler, DT North Carolina State
3. Marshal Yanda, T/G Iowa
5. Clifton Ryan, DT/DE Michigan State
5. Justin Medlock, K UCLA
6. Mike Otto, T Purdue
7. Darius Walker, RB Notre Dame

Other than Medlock all my guys are at least backups in the league.
If you can't drfat starters in every round, then WTF good are you?

GTFO.

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That was a really really bad draft, Herm had the 1 good draft in 08.
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I feel really really bad for Smith. He had great promise.
No he didn't.

He wasn't a shifty runner, wasn't a powerful runner, didn't have good vision and didn't have home-run speed. He's not a great receiver out of the backfield and he's just pretty average as a pass protector.

I don't understand why anyone goes to bat for this guy. I've never seen anything to suggest he's more than a 3rd running back...if that.
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That's well and good.

But does that relate to offensive linemen? Or most offensive players? Or players in the secondary?

Does that relate to judging character, work ethic, etc...?

It was a huge mistake to freeze them out. You don't have to take their word as law, but to ignore them outright? What was the purpose of that?
I don't completely agree with the move, but I kind of understand it.
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