How will YOU vote on the Stadium issue? - Page 5

Sig Kauffman · 10-10-2004, 01:34 PM

Shall a retail sales tax of one-fourth (1/4) of one cent be levied and collected in Kansas and
Missouri metropolitan Culture District (“Bistate Metropolitan District”) consisting of Johnson
County, Kansas and Jackson County, Missouri, and such other counties which are or may
become part of the Bistate Metropolitan District and which authorize this tax to be levied
(each a “Participating County”), including the counties of Clay and Platte in Missouri and
Wyandotte in Kansas?

sparkky · 11-01-2004, 11:40 PM

I'm voting no. We need a downtown baseball park to help get downtown going again. Chiefs are good where they are. We can't afford to replace both stadiums at the same time so we do Royals now and Chiefs later.
Also want some $$$$$ from St. Louis. We've built enough shit in their town.
Pro sports teams bring people into town to spend money and keep KC on the national map. I have my doubts that ballet, opera and museums do this. Separate the sports from the arts.

**grandllama** · 11-01-2004, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkky

I have my doubts that ballet, opera and museums do this. Separate the sports from the arts.

There is a hole in this logic. My entire family sans me hates sports, especially football, yet they travel the country to go to cultural events above and beyond what Salina, KS provides. Right now they go to Denver 2 - 3 times as much as KC.

CASHMAN · 11-01-2004, 11:46 PM

YES....

CASHMAN.

**grandllama** · 11-01-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BiStateNo

Look...I would be all for it if the teams themselves were contributing more of their own money.

Do you put in a ton of money into an apartment you don't own? No, you may put a little here or there when its a small enough problem that you don't need to call the landlord, but when the roof caves in, by God, its time to call the landlord and make him do something about it.

The Chiefs and Royals do not own those buildings. If either team leaves the city, those grand old buildings will still be there, waiting on new tenants to plop down a deposit and move in.

**grandllama** · 11-01-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by beavis

throw a shit fit the first time someone brings it up with the Chiefs though. If there has ever been a team that didn't have a case for picking up and leaving, it's KC.

Yep, neither did the Browns or Colts.

**grandllama** · 11-01-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

It wouldn't be as bad if people wouldn't congregate in the middle of the fucking concourse.

Hell, between the lines snaking out of the bathrooms to the back of the concorse and the lines from the concessions doing the same, I couldn't even get to the back of the concorse to have a smoke...

**grandllama** · 11-01-2004, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Of course you don't, but it helps.

I was just curious.

BTW, what specific arts initiatives are going to be funded? I hope we don't end up with some more million dollar "sculptures" like those hideous things on top of Bartle Hall.

I like those things on top of Bartle. They are unique, just like the shuttlecocks.

I personally think the sculptures in the JC Nichols fountain are simply revolting, but that doesn't stop it from being a KC Landmark.

Fairplay · 11-02-2004, 01:05 AM

I would vote No on it. If for no other reason then the arts are on the ballot.

The arts know they wouldn't get a tax to help them. So gues what they tag on to something like the stadium issue. Which have nothing in common, to help them get money.

I can see helping the stadiums. But with that on the ballot as well there is no way i would vote yes.

Fairplay · 11-02-2004, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BiStateNo

Absolutely! The Arts Center is going to be built regardless! Kaufman is putting something like $150 million to build it. So, as a working musician, yes! I did consider the arts. I have been waiting for an arts center in Kansas City for as long as I could remember and am glad that it is going to be built. Look...I would be all for it if the teams themselves were contributing more of their own money.

Go to San Fran dude that city gives the most to the arts. You will feel right at home, enjoy!

tk13 · 11-02-2004, 01:33 AM

This is probably going to die hard. Not that I can vote on it, but I'd have a hard time voting for it if the teams are going to want a new stadium soon. If this fails I think it may come to that pretty quickly... sad part is that both Arrowhead and the K are two of the best stadiums in their respective leagues and the people of KC probably don't appreciate it as much as they should. Personally, I'd rather revamp what's there as opposed to building anything new. Plus, I really want to see the Royals be able to bring in that extra revenue, they need all the help they can get, and I don't think David Glass losing 30-40 million dollars a year to put a winning team on the field is the way to go like half the idiots in KC. I do think there is some merit to the argument that says professional sports are what makes KC a "bigger name" city than somewhere like Tulsa or Oklahoma City. I would be pretty crushed if either the Chiefs or Royals left town...

Randallflagg · 11-02-2004, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay

Go to San Fran dude that city gives the most to the arts. You will feel right at home, enjoy!

I'm not gay, assmunch. You want to vote for it - go ahead. I've already voted and Damn glad I voted no.

**KcMizzou** · 11-02-2004, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

This is probably going to die hard. Not that I can vote on it, but I'd have a hard time voting for it if the teams are going to want a new stadium soon. If this fails I think it may come to that pretty quickly... sad part is that both Arrowhead and the K are two of the best stadiums in their respective leagues and the people of KC probably don't appreciate it as much as they should. Personally, I'd rather revamp what's there as opposed to building anything new. Plus, I really want to see the Royals be able to bring in that extra revenue, they need all the help they can get, and I don't think David Glass losing 30-40 million dollars a year to put a winning team on the field is the way to go like half the idiots in KC. I do think there is some merit to the argument that says professional sports are what makes KC a "bigger name" city than somewhere like Tulsa or Oklahoma City. I would be pretty crushed if either the Chiefs or Royals left town...

I love the stadiums we have now. I love the fact that they're easy to get to, and I love the stadiums in general. They were both way ahead of their time.

Glass "losing 30-40 million a year to put a winning team on the field" just won't happen. He's a business man. Either we'll find a way to help the Royals, or they will eventually be forced to leave.

And yeah... it'd kill me to see either team leave. KC is my home.

My employer is starting up a branch in Colorado, and they're looking for people who are willing to transfer. I honestly don't think I could do it. I've never lived anywhere else, and I love this area. Anything we can do to help KC in general, is alright in my book.

Fairplay · 11-02-2004, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BiStateNo

I'm not gay, assmunch. You want to vote for it - go ahead. I've already voted and Damn glad I voted no.

Did i say that, umm no.

beavis · 11-02-2004, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by grandllama

Yep, neither did the Browns or Colts.

Does that make it right?

Lamar makes millions in profit from the Chiefs every year, and he wants a handout from taxpayers? Sorry, I love football, but not enough to stuff the pockets of a millionaire with my hard earned money.

KCN · 11-02-2004, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by beavis

I don't have a problem with it, but I don't like how non specific they are about where the money will go. All I've ever heard anyone say is that it will go to "the arts". What the hell does that mean?

I definitely hear you there. Even though I voted yes, I will have no problem if this fails.

BTW...There is talk of Bi-State III coming up around the corner. This one will be geared toward transportation, and possibly commuter rail to downtown from JoCo. This one will need your support, so if anyone wants to throw BSII to the curb, be my guest.

View Poll Results: How will YOU vote on the Stadium Issue Nov. 2?
Yes	41	43.16%
No	26	27.37%
Undecided	5	5.26%
Not Voting	23	24.21%
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10-10-2004, 01:34 PM
Sig Kauffman Adopt-a-Chief... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: I-70 & Blue Ridge Cutoff Casino cash: $10004900	How will YOU vote on the Stadium issue? Shall a retail sales tax of one-fourth (1/4) of one cent be levied and collected in Kansas and Missouri metropolitan Culture District (“Bistate Metropolitan District”) consisting of Johnson County, Kansas and Jackson County, Missouri, and such other counties which are or may become part of the Bistate Metropolitan District and which authorize this tax to be levied (each a “Participating County”), including the counties of Clay and Platte in Missouri and Wyandotte in Kansas?
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11-01-2004, 11:40 PM	#61
sparkky Veteran Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10004900	I'm voting no. We need a downtown baseball park to help get downtown going again. Chiefs are good where they are. We can't afford to replace both stadiums at the same time so we do Royals now and Chiefs later. Also want some $$$$$ from St. Louis. We've built enough shit in their town. Pro sports teams bring people into town to spend money and keep KC on the national map. I have my doubts that ballet, opera and museums do this. Separate the sports from the arts.
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11-01-2004, 11:46 PM	#63
CASHMAN ERNIE-New CHIEFS FAN!!!!!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: OVERLAND PARK KS. Casino cash: $10004900	YES.... CASHMAN.
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11-02-2004, 01:05 AM	#68
Fairplay A certain set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: texas Casino cash: $10026683 VARSITY	I would vote No on it. If for no other reason then the arts are on the ballot. The arts know they wouldn't get a tax to help them. So gues what they tag on to something like the stadium issue. Which have nothing in common, to help them get money. I can see helping the stadiums. But with that on the ballot as well there is no way i would vote yes.
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11-02-2004, 01:33 AM	#70
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1832500	This is probably going to die hard. Not that I can vote on it, but I'd have a hard time voting for it if the teams are going to want a new stadium soon. If this fails I think it may come to that pretty quickly... sad part is that both Arrowhead and the K are two of the best stadiums in their respective leagues and the people of KC probably don't appreciate it as much as they should. Personally, I'd rather revamp what's there as opposed to building anything new. Plus, I really want to see the Royals be able to bring in that extra revenue, they need all the help they can get, and I don't think David Glass losing 30-40 million dollars a year to put a winning team on the field is the way to go like half the idiots in KC. I do think there is some merit to the argument that says professional sports are what makes KC a "bigger name" city than somewhere like Tulsa or Oklahoma City. I would be pretty crushed if either the Chiefs or Royals left town...
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