***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

PHOENIX (AP) - Arizona's total of COVID-19 cases neared 50,000 on Saturday as the state’s surge in additional cases continued to set daily records for hospitalizations, ventilator use and use of intensive care beds for coronavirus patients.

The state Department of Health Services another 3,109 additional, increasing the statewide total to 49,798 along with 1,338 deaths, including 26 reported on Saturday.

The number of in-patient hospitalizations for COVID-19 as of Friday reached 1,938, with 368 COVID-19 patients on ventilators and 546 in ICU beds, the department reported. Friday’s count of 1,164 emergency room visits for COVID-19 also set a record.

Earlier in the week, Arizona set daily new-case records with 3,246 on Friday, 2,519 cases on Thursday and 2,392 on Tuesday.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Donger

Is that the number of deaths that piques your interest/concern for some reason?

Well if millions died it would probably mean less traffic which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Also less demand for gas which will help keep prices low. (I learned that last thing from you)

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Donger

Is that the number of deaths that piques your interest/concern for some reason?

Just repeating what you fear mongerers have been spewing since this shit started?

Do you remember all the years we got daily reports of how many people caught the flu?

Yeah. Me neither.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Just repeating what you fear mongerers have been spewing since this shit started?

Do you remember all the years we got daily reports of how many people caught the flu?

Yeah. Me neither.

The million death estimate was without mitigation efforts. The estimate with mitigation efforts was 100,000 to 240,000.

Which one would you have preferred?

I've watched influenza season for years. Even have it bookmarked:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#whomap

A really bad flu season is 60,000 dead. You know, half of this so far.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Well if millions died it would probably mean less traffic which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Also less demand for gas which will help keep prices low. (I learned that last thing from you)

Have you noticed it going back up? You're welcome. Don't make me angry.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Donger

Have you noticed it going back up? You're welcome. Don't make me angry.

I cordially invite you to engage in intercourse with yourself, Mr Donger.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Just repeating what you fear mongerers have been spewing since this shit started?

Do you remember all the years we got daily reports of how many people caught the flu?

Yeah. Me neither.

It's June and some morons are still bringing up the flu

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

I cordially invite you to engage in intercourse with yourself, Mr Donger.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Donger

The million death estimate was without mitigation efforts. The estimate with mitigation efforts was 100,000 to 240,000.

Which one would you have preferred?

I've watched influenza season for years. Even have it bookmarked:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#whomap

A really bad flu season is 60,000 dead. You know, half of this so far.

And that ridiculous estimate is all the proof you have that any of this onerous "mitigation" accomplished anything.

Watched influenza for years? So you admit you actively had to seek the numbers and weren't force fed the info every single day?

Deaths and cases aren't the same thing. I couldn't give a shit less how many positive tests there are. It's a stupid metric.

[stumppy]

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

And that ridiculous estimate is all the proof you have that any of this onerous "mitigation" accomplished anything.

Watched influenza for years? So you admit you actively had to seek the numbers and weren't force fed the info every single day?

Deaths and cases aren't the same thing. I couldn't give a shit less how many positive tests there are. It's a stupid metric.

Ridiculous estimate that's thankfully on the low side of 100,000 to 240,000 dead? Seems it was pretty darn accurate after all.

Yes, most years when it's mild, not much is mentioned about it. Because it's not as deadly as COVID-19.

Well, you can't have deaths without cases, so it's not stupid at all, actually. Positive tests show how active the virus is in the community, so I fail to see you wouldn't give a shit about that, either.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ridiculous estimate that's thankfully on the low side of 100,000 to 240,000 dead? Seems it was pretty darn accurate after all.

Yes, most years when it's mild, not much is mentioned about it. Because it's not as deadly as COVID-19.

Well, you can't have deaths without cases, so it's not stupid at all, actually. Positive tests show how active the virus is in the community, so I fail to see you wouldn't give a shit about that, either.

Typical Donger shit. Try to focus.

The ridiculous estimate is MILLIONS DEAD without mitigation. You know, the denominator used when touting how successful mitigation efforts were.

It's stupid because it is completely dependent on the number of tests given. Wonder why they seldom report the daily number of test when they report the daily number of positive tests?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

And that ridiculous estimate is all the proof you have that any of this onerous "mitigation" accomplished anything.

Watched influenza for years? So you admit you actively had to seek the numbers and weren't force fed the info every single day?

Deaths and cases aren't the same thing. I couldn't give a shit less how many positive tests there are. It's a stupid metric.

This is the goalpost that moves. One day it's deaths, the next is cases. We wanted increased testing. We knew increased testing would result in increased cases. We increased testing. We are getting increased cases. So far we are not seeing increased deaths.

I agree that ultimately in comes down to not cases but deaths and any damage caused from the cases. Most are walking away fine. Some are walking away with lasting damage. Some aren't walking away.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Typical Donger shit. Try to focus.

The ridiculous estimate is MILLIONS DEAD without mitigation. You know, the denominator used when touting how successful mitigation efforts were.

It's stupid because it is completely dependent on the number of tests given. Wonder why they seldom report the daily number of test when they report the daily number of positive tests?

What's ridiculous about it? WITH MITIGATION, we've already lost 120,000, right in the estimate range. So, since that was accurate, why do you think the estimate without mitigation was/is not?

Of course, we'll never know for certain, because thankfully mitigation efforts were taken.

Number of test given is widely reported, so I don;t know where you're getting that.

[R Clark]

I’ve yet to read anything about number of test given in this thread?might have missed it I guess