Chiefs Only TWO games since Kareem left!! - Page 3

UChieffyBugger · 11-05-2019, 10:44 AM

Has a Chiefs running back rushed for a hundred yards in a game. Sunday's 145 by Damien was the first since his 103 at Seattle last season. Honestly I know Andy hates running the ball but that stat is utterly pathetic tbh. I think finally replacing Kareem's production is vital for this team moving forward so we can take the pressure off of Pat, give opposing defenses something else to worry about and also compete for time of possesion. We all saw how weak against the run the Pats were on Sunday and what a good running game can do...so I hope Veach has plans to land a quality RB In the offseason. Most teams have their number one back so the draft could be kind to us tbh with Taylor, Swift, Harris, Dobbins, Ettien etc all there to be had.

Hoover · 11-05-2019, 12:02 PM

The Hunt thing sucks, but I'd never give him or any other back a big second contract.

I'd draft a RB in the 3rd/4th/5th round every year. Stay young, stay talented. These guys play special teams too.

O.city · 11-05-2019, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

JFC, nobody is asking to run 50/50.

This 'drop back pass every play with no creativity' stuff Andy was doing for weeks was getting Mahomes battered. It's not how Mahomes threw 50 TD's last year either and it was causing the offense to struggle.

JFC, do people not understand how much danger that kind of gameplan puts a QB in? Play action. Misdirection. Draws. Screens. Mixing these things up is more effective than "Hey, let's drop back and throw deep" on every play.

He got hit a lot last year too. I don't think much really changed.

Sure, they could stand to run the ball more at times. In the end, Mahomes needs the ball.

WhiteWhale · 11-05-2019, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

This.

I don't really know why theres an obsession with running the ball and running backs around here. Sure, get a good one. I'm still going to prefer to have my MVP all timer at QB throw the ball.

Yeah, and you won't have that if KC drops back and throws deep on 80% of snaps because he'll be getting smashed a dozen times a game by 300 pound men with bad intentions.

If you want him to play, you may consider protecting his health as well. It's not just running, but more creative and diverse playcalling in general.

What you want is what Detroit has done with Matt Stafford. "Hey dude, let's pass it 700 times! Yeah!"

How's that worked out for Stafford's career?

There's a reason NFL teams don't pass 80% of the time.

WhiteWhale · 11-05-2019, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He got hit a lot last year too. I don't think much really changed.

Sure, they could stand to run the ball more at times. In the end, Mahomes needs the ball.

This isn't the big 12. NO matter how much you want it to be. If you can't run, you'll struggle to close.

O.city · 11-05-2019, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Yeah, and you won't have that if KC drops back and throws deep on 80% of snaps because he'll be getting smashed a dozen times a game by 300 pound men with bad intentions.

If you want him to play, you may consider protecting his health as well.

Well, a lot of that is on him. I don't think they've really changed the routes to throw the ball deep that many snaps, so maybe sometimes get it out quick and let the dudes run.

comochiefsfan · 11-05-2019, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

This.

I don't really know why theres an obsession with running the ball and running backs around here. Sure, get a good one. I'm still going to prefer to have my MVP all timer at QB throw the ball.

The passing game will be much more effective when there is a legitimate running threat to take the pressure off Pat.

O.city · 11-05-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

This isn't the big 12. NO matter how much you want it to be. If you can't run, you'll struggle to close.

Sure. Again, that needs to be more because they've invested in the OL than the RB spot though.

Throw to get ahead, run to win.

Hoover · 11-05-2019, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

JFC, nobody is asking to run 50/50.

This 'drop back pass every play with no creativity' stuff Andy was doing for weeks was getting Mahomes battered. It's not how Mahomes threw 50 TD's last year either and it was causing the offense to struggle.

JFC, do people not understand how much danger that kind of gameplan puts a QB in? Play action. Misdirection. Draws. Screens. Mixing these things up is more effective than "Hey, let's drop back and throw deep" on every play. It also does more to keep your QB from taking a dozen hits in each game.

yeah you are.

I don't think Andy has even opened the play book this year. I think he's sitting on a ton of motion, screens, and what not. I also think we will run the ball better moving forward. Our injuries would make most teams sub .500 teams.

KChiefs1 · 11-05-2019, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Watch any of his highlights against the donx. Dude was always a beast against our rival.

Patriots too.

WhiteWhale · 11-05-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Well, a lot of that is on him. I don't think they've really changed the routes to throw the ball deep that many snaps, so maybe sometimes get it out quick and let the dudes run.

It's a lack of diversity. We've seen it return with Moore because Andy knows he HAS to protect him.

With Mahomes it was a LOT of just drop back in the shotgun over and over. It makes the pass rusher's jobs easier.

Mix it up. Runs, screens, misdirections, play action, ect. Slow down the rush. I had no idea this 'slow down the rush' concept was so abstract to football fans. It seems like everyone is confused about why this stuff matters.

Andy was taking his talents for granted and in doing so not maximizing them. Ever since the Lions game it's been that way and it's been an issue. I just don't want him to go back to THAT when we do get him back. We can protect him and allow him to be a star at the same time.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-05-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Sure. Again, that needs to be more because they've invested in the OL than the RB spot though.

Throw to get ahead, run to win.

We’ve had opportunities to invest in the center position and have refused every time.

TEX · 11-05-2019, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

JFC, nobody is asking to run 50/50.

This 'drop back pass every play with no creativity' stuff Andy was doing for weeks was getting Mahomes battered. It's not how Mahomes threw 50 TD's last year either and it was causing the offense to struggle.

JFC, do people not understand how much danger that kind of gameplan puts a QB in? Play action. Misdirection. Draws. Screens. Mixing these things up is more effective than "Hey, let's drop back and throw deep" on every play. It also does more to keep your QB from taking a dozen hits in each game.

Exactly the case my man!

Hoover · 11-05-2019, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

It's a lack of diversity. We've seen it return with Moore because Andy knows he HAS to protect him.

With Mahomes it was a LOT of just drop back in the shotgun over and over. It makes the pass rusher's jobs easier.

Mix it up. Runs, screens, misdirections, play action, ect. Slow down the rush. I had no idea this 'slow down the rush' concept was so abstract to football fans. It seems like everyone is confused about why this stuff matters.

Andy was taking his talents for granted and in doing so not maximizing them. Ever since the Lions game it's been that way and it's been an issue. I just don't want him to go back to THAT when we do get him back. We can protect him and allow him to be a star at the same time.

I think Andy knows the games he needs to win are in the playoffs. What good does it do to looks amazing in week 6? And I'm also not shocked that the Chiefs defense looked better once we played Denver. Yeah it takes time, but when you look at the schedule I'm sure the play was to have the Defense running well by that Denver game.

WhiteWhale · 11-05-2019, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

The passing game will be much more effective when there is a legitimate running threat to take the pressure off Pat.

KC is 13th in yards per attempt.

The narrative that KC can't run is false.

You have to call running plays. KC has 322 pass attempts (if you count sacks it's 338 pass calls ) and 188 rush attempts.

That isn't 'slightly' out of whack. I'ts not 'pass heavy'. It borders on one dimensional. Since running is effective on a per carry basis, there's no real REASON for this exaggerated disparity.

Even if they don't change this ratio, he can at least be a bit more creative when Mahomes comes back like he was last season. Andy is always out of whack, but he's usually much more creative... as he has been the last two weeks with Moore starting.

YontsRBake · 11-05-2019, 12:15 PM

This is a flawed stat since we’ve had several games where multiple backs combined for 100+. Since were a team that splits carries, the overall rushing total is what matters.

The issues we do have rushing are the result of having a beat up O line. When the line is healthy and actually blocks, Damien goes off.

Spending big money on a RB is the worst thing this team could do. That $$ needs to go into OL, MLB, and DB. Not wasted on a RB. Hunt being a moron was a blessing in disguise cause he would have required a major contract extension that is WAY better spent elsewhere.

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UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2500400	Only TWO games since Kareem left!! Has a Chiefs running back rushed for a hundred yards in a game. Sunday's 145 by Damien was the first since his 103 at Seattle last season. Honestly I know Andy hates running the ball but that stat is utterly pathetic tbh. I think finally replacing Kareem's production is vital for this team moving forward so we can take the pressure off of Pat, give opposing defenses something else to worry about and also compete for time of possesion. We all saw how weak against the run the Pats were on Sunday and what a good running game can do...so I hope Veach has plans to land a quality RB In the offseason. Most teams have their number one back so the draft could be kind to us tbh with Taylor, Swift, Harris, Dobbins, Ettien etc all there to be had.
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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1538179	The Hunt thing sucks, but I'd never give him or any other back a big second contract. I'd draft a RB in the 3rd/4th/5th round every year. Stay young, stay talented. These guys play special teams too.
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YontsRBake Starter Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $9644927	This is a flawed stat since we’ve had several games where multiple backs combined for 100+. Since were a team that splits carries, the overall rushing total is what matters. The issues we do have rushing are the result of having a beat up O line. When the line is healthy and actually blocks, Damien goes off. Spending big money on a RB is the worst thing this team could do. That $$ needs to go into OL, MLB, and DB. Not wasted on a RB. Hunt being a moron was a blessing in disguise cause he would have required a major contract extension that is WAY better spent elsewhere.
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