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Old 11-17-2004, 10:44 AM   #1
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Another example -- during halftime of one game (I think it was the season opener against Indy), they showed highlights of a whole bunch of training camps all around the NFL. They had Mike Martz, Coughlin, Gruden (and Monte Kiffin), Mike Tice and Bill Belichick, from the ones I can remember.


The one with Belichick had him surrounded by all these behemoth offensive linemen (a funny contrast to see the Master with the young gargantuan Padawans, by the way), all wearing pads and helmets, and he said the following (exact quote from memory, as I thought this was insightful of his system and approach):

"I can't put you on the field if you don't CONSISTENTLY know what the hell you're doing. Penalties, first and 15, first and 20, we just can't operate that way".
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:33 AM   #2
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Unless he makes Pioli GM/CEO/President and matches a rumored to be 3.5 million a year salary.
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:17 PM   #3
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Rumormill (i.e. pure guesswork by Internet geeks who follow the Pats) has Pioli having one of (a) Crennel, (b) Nick Saban of LSU, or (c) Kirk Ferentz (sp?) of whereverthehell it is (Iowa?), all of whom are Belichick disciples, as HC.

I don't follow college football at all, so excuse me if I butchered that coach's name up above...
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I note, also, that I recently learned that Belichick tried to get Gunther to join him in NE as DC for the Pats BEFORE he had Crennel join him, so it's possible any Belichick disciple would gladly keep Gun on as his DC. If he has Belichick's respect...
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Maybe. Having a defensive-minded head coach doesn't guarantee a good defense.

I wonder when Herm Edwards' contract is up. I'd love to have that guy replace Vermeil.
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:27 PM   #6
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Maybe. Having a defensive-minded head coach doesn't guarantee a good defense.

I wonder when Herm Edwards' contract is up. I'd love to have that guy replace Vermeil.
no way, I like herm, but his teams are the definition of inconsistant...plus, he hired Hackett....
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no way, I like herm, but his teams are the definition of inconsistant...plus, he hired Hackett....
At least he can draft. And he has a playoff win AND he's going to have, after this year, taken his teams to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years in a row.

Man can he draft. He's drafted a ton of great players. Pennington, Moss, LaMont Jordan, John Abraham, Shaun Ellis, Dewayne Robertson...the list goes on and on. His FA moves have all been spot-on as well. Curtis Martin, Justin McCareins, Donnie Abraham.

I don't think he'd bring in Hackett either. Green isn't suited to a west coast offense.
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At least he can draft. And he has a playoff win AND he's going to have, after this year, taken his teams to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years in a row.

Man can he draft. He's drafted a ton of great players. Pennington, Moss, LaMont Jordan, John Abraham, Shaun Ellis, Dewayne Robertson...the list goes on and on. His FA moves have all been spot-on as well. Curtis Martin, Justin McCareins, Donnie Abraham.

I don't think he'd bring in Hackett either. Green isn't suited to a west coast offense.
no gaurantee they're going to the playoffs this year...you're right about his drafts, mostly....which is why I think his teams should have been better, but they're schizo just like us....plus, he hired Hackett
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At least he can draft. And he has a playoff win AND he's going to have, after this year, taken his teams to the playoffs 3 out of 4 years in a row.

Man can he draft. He's drafted a ton of great players. Pennington, Moss, LaMont Jordan, John Abraham, Shaun Ellis, Dewayne Robertson...the list goes on and on. His FA moves have all been spot-on as well. Curtis Martin, Justin McCareins, Donnie Abraham.
you're all over the place on this.

1. Bradway is the Jets GM, and he is PURELY responsible for their talent acquisition, not Herm Edwards.

2. Curtis Martin was a Parcells pickup, not Bradway or Herm.

3. The 2000 Jets draft was a good one, but IIRC it was teh last year that Parcells was running the show. Al Groh was coach that year, after the whole "Parcells resigns, and then BB resigns as HC of the NYJ". In that draft they got Ellis, John Abraham and Pennington in the 1st round, plus Lavernues Coles in the 3rd. But I dont' think you can give that one to Bradway, and you DEFINITELY can't give it to Herm, who wasn't even with the team as HC at that point.

4. Dewayne Robertson MAY turn out to be pretty studly, but they gave up a sick number of picks for him.

5. Pennington seems to be good, but so far he's also (a) somewhat weak-armed, and (b) brittle as hell. I'm honestly not sure what his deal is, but we'll find out within a few years if he's just too glass-jawed to survive in the NFL.

6. I like the McCareins move too.
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Maybe. Having a defensive-minded head coach doesn't guarantee a good defense.

I wonder when Herm Edwards' contract is up. I'd love to have that guy replace Vermeil.
And you'll get just as much crying

The other big name being tossed around was just mentioned, Nick Saban. He's a true Belichick disciple and they're very close friends. During this past offseason, BB went to LSU and spent several days discussing new coverage schemes with Saban. LSU has turned into a virtual farm team for the Pats with BB/Pioli relying heavily on Saban recommendations. One prime example is Randall Gay, rookie UDFA who's now starting and playing well.

Saban can flat out coach and some NFL team will be happy to have him.
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And you'll get just as much crying

The other big name being tossed around was just mentioned, Nick Saban. He's a true Belichick disciple and they're very close friends. During this past offseason, BB went to LSU and spent several days discussing new coverage schemes with Saban. LSU has turned into a virtual farm team for the Pats with BB/Pioli relying heavily on Saban recommendations. One prime example is Randall Gay, rookie UDFA who's now starting and playing well.

Saban can flat out coach and some NFL team will be happy to have him.
I wouldn't be totally opposed but I would like to have a guy who is established and, as I pointed out as had quite a bit of success. Plus he has some experience against the two most consistently good teams in the AFC, Indy and NE.
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I note, also, that I recently learned that Belichick tried to get Gunther to join him in NE as DC for the Pats BEFORE he had Crennel join him, so it's possible any Belichick disciple would gladly keep Gun on as his DC. If he has Belichick's respect...
BTW, What's the "book" on why Belicheck failed in Clevland?
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BTW, What's the "book" on why Belicheck failed in Clevland?
Three reasons:

1. He benched Bernie Kosar who was immensely popular with the fans and press even though he sucked. Testeverde got them to the playoffs in '94, but the fans have never forgiven him.

2. The team announced they're move to Baltimore 4 games into his last season. They were 3-1 at that point and coming off a playoff appearance. The team lost fan support and the players tanked the rest of the season.

3. The media hated him and still does. He had no media savvy back then. He'd rather get a bikini wax than talk to reporters. He's learned to deal with it since then.
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