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Old 12-02-2020, 01:51 AM   Topic Starter
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Interesting O-Line Stats
A couple of Chief OL are, apparently, playing well in the passing game.





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Old 12-02-2020, 02:16 AM   #2
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Old 12-02-2020, 02:18 AM   #3
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Our run blocking sucks.
Yep, they can passblock, but run blocking his horrible.
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Old 12-02-2020, 06:15 AM   #4
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Yep, they can passblock, but run blocking his horrible.
And yet the Chiefs are 11th in the league at 4.4 yards per carry.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:09 AM   #5
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And yet the Chiefs are 11th in the league at 4.4 yards per carry.
Context matters though. Sure we've been able to run it at times. But it's not a secret we can't run it on 3rd and 1 or at the goalline.

The line is doing about as well as can be expected considering the limited resources spent there and the opt-outs, although I haven't been all that impressed with LDT for a while now so I'm not sure his presence helps all that much.

There are a number of needs going forward, and we don't need a 2003 Chiefs type OL, but if we can just somehow find the resources to turn the IOL into more of a strength I think it makes the offense that much more unstoppable. I was hopeful that the signing of Osemele earlier in the offseason was a sign that they might be pivoting more towards powerblocking types on the inside, but that may just be wishful thinking. An OL that can blow people off the ball in short yardage makes Mahomes and co. even more lethal.

And back to pass blocking, perhaps PFF grades account for this but Mahomes clearly covers for a lot of deficiencies in pass protection with his pocket presence and mobility. Put a less capable QB behind this OL and I think you see their pass protection grades plummet.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:20 AM   #6
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Context matters though. Sure we've been able to run it at times. But it's not a secret we can't run it on 3rd and 1 or at the goalline.

The line is doing about as well as can be expected considering the limited resources spent there and the opt-outs, although I haven't been all that impressed with LDT for a while now so I'm not sure his presence helps all that much.

There are a number of needs going forward, and we don't need a 2003 Chiefs type OL, but if we can just somehow find the resources to turn the IOL into more of a strength I think it makes the offense that much more unstoppable. I was hopeful that the signing of Osemele earlier in the offseason was a sign that they might be pivoting more towards powerblocking types on the inside, but that may just be wishful thinking. An OL that can blow people off the ball in short yardage makes Mahomes and co. even more lethal.

And back to pass blocking, perhaps PFF grades account for this but Mahomes clearly covers for a lot of deficiencies in pass protection with his pocket presence and mobility. Put a less capable QB behind this OL and I think you see their pass protection grades plummet.
Of course context matters. And of course Mahomes makes everyone around him better.

However, I'm not sure why that's relevant. The reality is that we have Mahomes so the line is doing its job more often than not.
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Old 12-02-2020, 01:30 PM   #7
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Context matters though. Sure we've been able to run it at times. But it's not a secret we can't run it on 3rd and 1 or at the goalline.

The line is doing about as well as can be expected considering the limited resources spent there and the opt-outs, although I haven't been all that impressed with LDT for a while now so I'm not sure his presence helps all that much.

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And back to pass blocking, perhaps PFF grades account for this but Mahomes clearly covers for a lot of deficiencies in pass protection with his pocket presence and mobility. Put a less capable QB behind this OL and I think you see their pass protection grades plummet.
And, yet, we've done exactly that. We've also thrown for first downs on 3rd and short. Honestly, our line has done well in both situations, compared to the rest of the NFL.

The Chiefs are #1 in 3rd down conversion percentage. Of course, it helps to have Pat. But, we have Pat.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:13 AM   #8
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And yet the Chiefs are 11th in the league at 4.4 yards per carry.
Probably has a lot to do with #15. When he scrambles he gets good chunks of yards and since he is such a threat to beat teams through the air opposing teams rarely stack the box to stop our run. They are more concerned with stopping the passing game.
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Probably has a lot to do with #15. When he scrambles he gets good chunks of yards and since he is such a threat to beat teams through the air opposing teams rarely stack the box to stop our run. They are more concerned with stopping the passing game.
That doesn't make the line any less effective. Very few teams in the NFL can run effectively against a stacked box.
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And yet the Chiefs are 11th in the league at 4.4 yards per carry.

Some of that is the Mahomes factor for sure.


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And yet the Chiefs are 11th in the league at 4.4 yards per carry.
I can't trust any stat that says Austin Reiter is a good center, or good offensive lineman. The fact that he plays next to Wiley, and the defense just chooses to attack Wiley, has to play a big factor.

I thought the offensive line played much better with Kilgore at center. I think we had our best rushing games when Kilgore was playing center.

I just want Reiter and Wiley replaced so badly. I get so sick of watching Wiley watch his man sack, hit, or flush Mahomes from the pocket.

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I can't trust any stat that says Austin Reiter is a good center, or good offensive lineman. The fact that he plays next to Wiley, and the defense just chooses to attack Wiley, has to play a big factor.

I thought the offensive line played much better with Kilgore at center. I think we had our best rushing games when Kilgore was playing center.

I just want Reiter and Wiley replaced so badly. I get so sick of watching Wiley watch his man sack, hit, or flush Mahomes from the pocket.

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Kilgore isn't a very good pass blocker, though. That's the issue.

We have a lot of problems on the interior line.
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Our run blocking sucks.
Yeah, it's too bad the run blocking sucks so bad because otherwise, the Chiefs would have the #1 scoring offense in the NFL.
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Kudos to Veach for plucking Remmers. Everyone thought he would be absolute shit.

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Kudos to Veach for plucking Remmers. Everyone thought he would be absolute shit.

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Imagine if you will Osemele in and allegretti opposite him.
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