Life conceal and carry - Page 2

tooge · 01-28-2009, 10:06 AM

I am taking the conceal and carry class on saturday. I probably wont carry my gun around (much) but may in the car from time to time, who knows. Anyhow, have any of you done this? Is it dreadfully boring? Do you carry a gun around ? Is it worth it? The main reason I am doing it is for the legal information, stuff like what liability I have if I plaster some yoyo's brain all over my wall after they break in.

**Bob Dole** · 01-28-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

If you’re transporting a handgun you should just leave it unloaded on the passenger seat in plain view.
This isn’t necessarily legal advice but just plain common sense.

This.

(All the cool kids are doing it.)

Bob Dole once got stopped on his way to the range with 3 handguns sitting in the passenger seat. You've never seen anyone get a window down so quickly and start screaming, "THERE ARE UNLOADED WEAPONS ON THE PASSENGER SEAT!" repeatedly.

KCTitus · 01-28-2009, 12:03 PM

I completed this for Virginia last week...all they require is a basic 'safety' course and that's it. I honestly would have preferred more to it than that, given some of the yokels I saw in class. My VA CHP is recognized in MO, but not KS..and when I travel from VA to MO, I have to 'unload' as I go through Illinois since they dont recognize my permit.

I should have mine in 30 days...

I have a Springfield XD-9mm--since it's cheap to shoot, but have decided to get a .40 Subcompact for CC.

googlegoogle · 01-28-2009, 01:02 PM

funny how the states are able to ignore the constitution.

probably time for another bloodbath civil war to remind people of freedoms.

Boiled Chicken · 01-28-2009, 01:20 PM

I did it a couple of weeks ago. Two part process. Certification and then application.

KS certification is either/or semi-auto or revolver. 25 rounds qualify/25 rounds certify.

5 rounds qualify/certify one handed at 10 ft.
10 rounds qualify/certify two handed at 20 ft.
10 rounds qualify/certify two handed at 30 ft.

MO certification is revolver AND semi-automatic. 50 rounds practice/20 rounds qualify - EACH. All are from 25 feet two handed. All in all 140 rounds.

They'll teach you all the ways to transport, etc...,

Then you get to do application process (fingerprints, background).

Hope that helps...and yes it was boring, but between the breaks, lunch, travel to the firing range, only added up to really 5 hours of an 8 hour class.

Brock · 01-28-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

If you’re transporting a handgun you should just leave it unloaded on the passenger seat in plain view.

In a plastic case in the back seat works for me.

wutamess · 01-28-2009, 01:40 PM

In Missouri you can carry your gun in your car without license.
You only have to have it to carry it on your person.

Radar Chief · 01-28-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

In a plastic case in the back seat works for me.

Ever been pulled over while transporting it in a plastic case on the back seat?
Just curious how that conversation with the officer went.

Brock · 01-28-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Ever been pulled over while transporting it in a plastic case on the back seat?
Just curious how that conversation with the officer went.

Sure. They didn't say anything about it.

Radar Chief · 01-28-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Sure. They didn't say anything about it.

Cool. Well, there ya go, another way to transport.

Valiant · 01-28-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheater5

Did it, and it is a pain in the ass. Classes, background check, fingerprints, etc etc.

But, worth it. If you happen to travel a lot it is nice to have your weapon with you in the car and hotel, etc. I don't carry on a day-to-day basis, but I have once or twice when we went downtown around the Westport area and P&L district.

I didn't think conceal and carry worked in most other states??

I mean traveling to other states from Missouri..

**Iowanian** · 01-28-2009, 03:49 PM

Reciprocity.

Some states....many states, honor C&C permits from other states.

That said, there are some counties in Iowa that would be pricks if you were packing with a valid permit from another. Sheriffs can refuse to allow them, allow them only "in county" or for specific purposes, or some of the good ones, allow statewide permits.

dilligaf · 01-28-2009, 03:56 PM

My carry gun is a 357 taurus snub nose. Idaho is pretty relaxed on carry laws.

PastorMikH · 01-28-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

In Missouri you can carry your gun in your car without license.
You only have to have it to carry it on your person.

Actually, when I was in MO 10 years ago, the pistol had to be visible from 3 different points outside the car. Also, it is my understanding that in MO you only need to have a the concealed carry permit if the gun is concealed. If you are able to legally buy a firearm, you can legally carry one as long as it is visible - even in city limits unless there are city ordinances preventing it. For example, carrying one in a western style holster on your leg where everyone can see it - fine. Carrying one in a shoulder holster with a sport jacket on and no one can see it - bad.

Things could have changed in 10 years, but everything I've heard about Missouri gun laws is they have become more relaxed, not firmer.

tooge · 01-28-2009, 04:06 PM

I can go down to the plaza with a gun strapped to my leg as long as everyone can see it?

Groves · 01-28-2009, 04:21 PM

It's called open carry, and many states allow it, some without permit, some with. There's a bit of public backlash to the idea depending on where you are, though.

If the idea of open carry is foreign to you, this would be a good time to introduce yourself to brandishing laws and their penalties, too.

01-28-2009, 10:06 AM
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $3904112	conceal and carry I am taking the conceal and carry class on saturday. I probably wont carry my gun around (much) but may in the car from time to time, who knows. Anyhow, have any of you done this? Is it dreadfully boring? Do you carry a gun around ? Is it worth it? The main reason I am doing it is for the legal information, stuff like what liability I have if I plaster some yoyo's brain all over my wall after they break in.
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01-28-2009, 12:03 PM	#17
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	I completed this for Virginia last week...all they require is a basic 'safety' course and that's it. I honestly would have preferred more to it than that, given some of the yokels I saw in class. My VA CHP is recognized in MO, but not KS..and when I travel from VA to MO, I have to 'unload' as I go through Illinois since they dont recognize my permit. I should have mine in 30 days... I have a Springfield XD-9mm--since it's cheap to shoot, but have decided to get a .40 Subcompact for CC. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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01-28-2009, 01:02 PM	#18
googlegoogle Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	funny how the states are able to ignore the constitution. probably time for another bloodbath civil war to remind people of freedoms.
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01-28-2009, 01:20 PM	#19
Boiled Chicken Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Casino cash: $3178129	I did it a couple of weeks ago. Two part process. Certification and then application. KS certification is either/or semi-auto or revolver. 25 rounds qualify/25 rounds certify. 5 rounds qualify/certify one handed at 10 ft. 10 rounds qualify/certify two handed at 20 ft. 10 rounds qualify/certify two handed at 30 ft. MO certification is revolver AND semi-automatic. 50 rounds practice/20 rounds qualify - EACH. All are from 25 feet two handed. All in all 140 rounds. They'll teach you all the ways to transport, etc..., Then you get to do application process (fingerprints, background). Hope that helps...and yes it was boring, but between the breaks, lunch, travel to the firing range, only added up to really 5 hours of an 8 hour class.
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01-28-2009, 01:40 PM	#21
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $5341637	In Missouri you can carry your gun in your car without license. You only have to have it to carry it on your person.
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01-28-2009, 03:49 PM	#26
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4728454	Reciprocity. Some states....many states, honor C&C permits from other states. That said, there are some counties in Iowa that would be pricks if you were packing with a valid permit from another. Sheriffs can refuse to allow them, allow them only "in county" or for specific purposes, or some of the good ones, allow statewide permits.
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01-28-2009, 03:56 PM	#27
dilligaf AKA bigpepe Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Idaho Casino cash: $7554958	My carry gun is a 357 taurus snub nose. Idaho is pretty relaxed on carry laws.
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01-28-2009, 04:06 PM	#29
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $3904112	I can go down to the plaza with a gun strapped to my leg as long as everyone can see it?
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01-28-2009, 04:21 PM	#30
Groves Turning the Corner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Springfield, Missouri Casino cash: $2288541	It's called open carry, and many states allow it, some without permit, some with. There's a bit of public backlash to the idea depending on where you are, though. If the idea of open carry is foreign to you, this would be a good time to introduce yourself to brandishing laws and their penalties, too.
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