Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[Red Gorilla]

There seems to be this weird misconception of what our offense is going to be like. It's going to be like the early 2000's Philadelphia offense. Not the Vick, Maclin, Jackson downfield attacking offense. McNabb never threw for 4,000 yards.

Why do some think they even plan on changing Alex Smith into a gunslinger? Did Schefter or some other talking head tweet that shit? I don't think that was ever in the cards. Reid had a lot more success when he wasn't slinging it down the field and he was throwing it to Westbrook.

[LowExpectations]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

God.....Really?

Lol, So you knew the 49ers defense was going to be elite going into 2011?

You knew that Navarro Bowman was going to be elite? You knew that Aldon Smith was going to be elite? Carlos Rogers was going to have a career year?

You knew all that huh?

The difference is this. The Chiefs have every bit the front 7 save a player of Justin Smiths caliber, and just as good a secondary. now they have a competent d coordinator. How can you say how the Chiefs defense is going to play?

They probably have a top 5 front 7 in the league but the gap with their ILB's and the 49ers ILB's is pretty drastic. And yes, no one at all close to J Smith's ability. Secondary is probably better than SF though.

Here's the thing though.....why are you banking on KC to have a stellar year defensively? Wouldn't you want Alex to prove he can win without a top flight D? Or maybe you realize in your heart he can't overcome a bad/average defense?

[Snapplez]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

POST MOAR

No!

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Snapplez

No!

Got ya

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by LowExpectations

Here's the thing though.....why are you banking on KC to have a stellar year defensively? Wouldn't you want Alex to prove he can win without a top flight D? Or maybe you realize in your heart he can't overcome a bad/average defense?

Mav has to answer for himself, but I don't expect the KC defense to be as stifling as the SF defense... and I don't think it needs to be for Alex.

All along, people have complained about Alex "playing a role", and that is exactly what he did. He (and Harbaugh) recognized the defense and STs for what they were. The real question was, what kind of pass game could we get with the underwhelming receivers and run block oriented OL we had. Roman (OC) said himself that the pass game is what takes the longest to implement and evolve.

So we played things carefully... we fed our star RB... we pitched the ball out on shorter routes to keep defenses remotely honest... and you know what? we won... a lot of games. Why is that some horrific knock on the QB?

We really do not know what Alex can now do, if the D isn't as strong. If Smith is pitching 20+ yarders 30 times a game, then something's very ****ing wrong with the coaching and team around the QB. If Smith is throwing 30-35 passes a game, but 25 of them are in the 0-15 range? I am not worried about his success at all. Charles, Bowe, Fasano, Sherman, Avery should all be very useful on the short and intermediate ranges.

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

If you want to include the running game, go for it. Let us also include the ability to change the play call at the line of scrimmage which gave Frank Gore an extra yard per carry in comparison and kept the defense off the field which allowed them to play better as well.


Seriously, why is this a Kaep Vs. Alex thread?

LOL @ ability to change the play from the line of scrimmage. You can't even quantify that. Alex's 3rd down conversion was terrible...and right around what Kaep's was. You don't have anything to stand on. Kaepernick is a superior QB. Harbaugh felt the same way.

[ViperVisor]

Alex Smith in 2012
60% of his pass attempts were in the 1st half
That is exceedingly high

Kaepernick
51%

That is because like I have said the 49ers cruised to Wins in 5 of Smith's starts

Smith's 1st Half pass rate was 15.75
That is easy math 31.5 pass attempts full game pace
504 season pace

Griffin the very babied in the 1st half last year
Wilson was right at 50/50

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Kaep is clearly superior. Anyone who would argue otherwise is clearly an agenda-driven dumbass.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

LOL @ ability to change the play from the line of scrimmage. You can't even quantify that. Alex's 3rd down conversion was terrible...and right around what Kaep's was. You don't have anything to stand on. Kaepernick is a superior QB. Harbaugh felt the same way.

Compare 3rd down rate in 2012 after you throw out the attempts with Smith and Kaepernick when the 49ers were winning later in the game.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Kaep is clearly superior. Anyone who would argue otherwise is clearly an agenda-driven dumbass.

Certainly possible but why not let that happen before crowning it.

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Again. Please explain to me how this chiefs team is any different from the 49ers going into 2011?

You prolly were the same troll then predicting that Alex Smith was going to get Jim Harbaugh fired.

You have zero way to predict how things will go. Its not like the Chiefs are devoid of talent. They play in the weaker of the conferences in a crap division.

Sure. No wins could come from that.

Delusion is your best friend.....

delusion seems to be your best friend because you think Alex was the missing piece to the Chiefs success. You will see very quickly that he's a limited QB. He does not throw the ball all over the field but he will somehow do that this year? He's going to start fitting balls into tight windows downfield? No. That is not his game and if you think things will somehow CHANGE, then YOU are the delusional one.

Also, stop following me around and posting random comments on my reputation. I get it, you're butt hurt.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

LOL @ ability to change the play from the line of scrimmage. You can't even quantify that. Alex's 3rd down conversion was terrible...and right around what Kaep's was. You don't have anything to stand on. Kaepernick is a superior QB. Harbaugh felt the same way.

Dude. Kaep's 3rd down % was even worse than Smith's.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...-alex-smith-in

A lot of that was just the scheme... rely on your D and STs.

Now Kaep WILL end up bringing more to the game just on his freakish evasion and running... but pace yourself. It is fair to suspect that defenses can figure him out enough to keep him from being amazing to simply good.

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Compare 3rd down rate in 2012 after you throw out the attempts with Smith and Kaepernick when the 49ers were winning later in the game.


Certainly possible but why not let that happen before crowning it.

Are you cherry picking stats again?

Here's a stat for you.

Year: 2012

4th quarter Efficiency
Kaepernick 98.8 QB Rating
Smith 67.4 QB Rating

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Dude. Kaep's 3rd down % was even worse than Smith's.

A lot of that was just the scheme... rely on your D and STs.

Now Kaep WILL end up bringing more to the game just on his freakish evasion and running... but pace yourself. It is fair to suspect that defenses can figure him out enough to keep him from being amazing to simply good.

Did I not say Kaep's was just as bad as Smith's? I give Kaep a pass since it was his 1st year as a starter and he was basically thrown into the fire. Smith should have destroyed him in that regard but didn't

Kaepernick will be fine. The thing about him is he's great in the pocket too. He has superior pocket pressence to Smith. I think Kaep will be fine and Smith will be fine as well. I just think Kaep is the better QB.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

LOL @ ability to change the play from the line of scrimmage. You can't even quantify that. Alex's 3rd down conversion was terrible...and right around what Kaep's was. You don't have anything to stand on. Kaepernick is a superior QB. Harbaugh felt the same way.

I see a couple of people have commented on your post in general already, so I won't repeat anything...but...

Pretty sure I pointed out the fact that the RBs averaged nearly a full yard better with Alex under center compared to Kaep.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

Kaep clearly has superior talent. Anyone who would argue otherwise is clearly an agenda-driven dumbass.

FYP

You COULD make a fairly strong case that the 9ers might have been better off with Alex for the remainder of the 2012 season. I think Kaep will be a special player, but I don't think he completely eclipsed Alex last season. I think he will this season. If for no other reason than the offensive talent has been improving every year since 2011. What's more is that even if he's just equal to Alex, he has more value to the 9ers because he's 1 younger, 2 cheaper and 3 more charismatic.

[LowExpectations]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Mav has to answer for himself, but I don't expect the KC defense to be as stifling as the SF defense... and I don't think it needs to be for Alex.

All along, people have complained about Alex "playing a role", and that is exactly what he did. He (and Harbaugh) recognized the defense and STs for what they were.

We really do not know what Alex can now do, if the D isn't as strong. If Smith is pitching 20+ yarders 30 times a game, then something's very ****ing wrong with the coaching and team around the QB. If Smith is throwing 30-35 passes a game, but 25 of them are in the 0-15 range? I am not worried about his success at all. Charles, Bowe, Fasano, Sherman, Avery should all be very useful on the short and intermediate ranges.

That's a load of horseshit, as proven by the drastic change in offensive attack once Kaepernick was the QB. All of a sudden they weren't throwing it to the back anymore and heaving bombs down field to the "sub par receivers".