Overreaction from last night: Cut Eric Fisher after 2018

[RealSNR]

He's got an out in his extension. We'll eat some dead cap, but we should end up saving overall.

The guy is, was, and always will be a pussy. He even looks ****ing tiny. The NFL LTs I've always seen dominate the game have been behmoths like John Alt, Orlando Pace, and Willie Roaf. Fisher looks like a goddamn TE out there. We were waiting after his first season to bulk up in the NFL strength and conditioning offseason program. Has that ever ****ing happened? Sure as hell doesn't look like it.

He's inconsistent but mostly he just plays with zero toughness. Always has. And I'd rather not force our beautiful new QB to play behind such a limp-dicked dweeb.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bump

what an awful year that was to have the #1 pick

I would say "Because Chiefs" but we have Patrick Mahomes now and nobody else does. We also drafted an alcoholic who ended up turning himself into the best TE in football, a woman-beater who outwardly has turned into a model citizen and most dangerous WR in the game and a lazy DL who suddenly developed a motor (usually).

I mean...I think we kinda need to put the 'Because Chiefs' thing to bed for awhile. Things have gone really really well for this franchise for awhile now. So long as we have 15, I'm gonna have a hard time playing the 'woe is us' card...

[Bump]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I would say "Because Chiefs" but we have Patrick Mahomes now and nobody else does. We also drafted an alcoholic who ended up turning himself into the best TE in football, a woman-beater who outwardly has turned into a model citizen and most dangerous WR in the game and a lazy DL who suddenly developed a motor (usually).

I mean...I think we kinda need to put the 'Because Chiefs' thing to bed for awhile. Things have gone really really well for this franchise for awhile now. So long as we have 15, I'm gonna have a hard time playing the 'woe is us' card...

yup, it all worked out in the end. We have Mahomes, that's all that matters now.

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

We aren't having trouble. At all. Our interior has been especially impressive given the injuries. Not sure what you're watching at all.

Injuries are part of it. Players are worth a damn if they can't stay on the field. Jeff Allen would have solved our LG position years ago if he wasn't made of glass. We've been looking for a left guard for like 4 years?

LDT is our best interior guy by far.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Bump

what an awful year that was to have the #1 pick

You know, I've always thought that but Fisher has been pretty darn good this year. Tackles aren't easy to find anymore. There's a lot of highly-touted guys that just freaking suck.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I heard it. And IIRC, I believe that he was saying that was Von Miller's take. Which is pretty high praise. A top pass rusher in the league that had gone up against just about every teams tackles says that ours are the best. He should know.

Von Miller should just cut the crap and declare that he wants to be traded to Kansas City.

He loves our QB. He thinks our OTs are great. He idolized Derrick Thomas.

[Bump]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You know, I've always thought that but Fisher has been pretty darn good this year. Tackles aren't easy to find anymore. There's a lot of highly-touted guys that just freaking suck.

he's been alright, I don't have much complaints on Fisher. But it was a pretty bad year to have that #1 pick IMO.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Von Miller should just cut the crap and declare that he wants to be traded to Kansas City.

He loves our QB. He thinks our OTs are great. He idolized Derrick Thomas.

I can fap to this.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You know, I've always thought that but Fisher has been pretty darn good this year. Tackles aren't easy to find anymore. There's a lot of highly-touted guys that just freaking suck.

Could be worse, we could've spent out the ass for Nate Soldier, used the 34th overall on a G and a 1st on a T recently enough that he'd still be on a rookie contract if we didn't have to cut him, and STILL have the worst OL in football.

Though I'd say Eli Manning has a fair amount to do with that. Man that guy is garbage...

Yeah, when you see what average LTs are getting in FA and how poorly that has tended to work out for the signing team, you really appreciate getting steady, slightly above average play from Fisher. There's no dealing with the 1.1 status; that is what it is. But Fisher's been a good player at a reasonable price for several years here and that's alright.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Could be worse, we could've spent out the ass for Nate Soldier, used the 34th overall on a G and a 1st on a T recently enough that he'd still be on a rookie contract if we didn't have to cut him, and STILL have the worst OL in football.

Though I'd say Eli Manning has a fair amount to do with that. Man that guy is garbage...

Yeah, when you see what average LTs are getting in FA and how poorly that has tended to work out for the signing team, you really appreciate getting steady, slightly above average play from Fisher. There's no dealing with the 1.1 status; that is what it is. But Fisher's been a good player at a reasonable price for several years here and that's alright.

Look at this way:

Would Fisher normally be the 1st overall pick? No.

Would Mahomes normally be the 1st overall pick? Every. Single. Time.

If you look at it that way, we may have overpaid for Fisher but we freaking STOLE Patrick Mahomes.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Look at this way:

Would Fisher normally be the 1st overall pick? No.

Would Mahomes normally be the 1st overall pick? Every. Single. Time.

If you look at it that way, we may have overpaid for Fisher but we freaking STOLE Patrick Mahomes.

That’s a good way to look at it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Look at this way:

Would Fisher normally be the 1st overall pick? No.

Would Mahomes normally be the 1st overall pick? Every. Single. Time.

If you look at it that way, we may have overpaid for Fisher but we freaking STOLE Patrick Mahomes.

Hell, it's easier than that.

When you're drafting at 1.1 you should probably have the best draft in football right? We didn't, but we gave 2.1 to get Smith, so that impacted it. When you really sit down and look at that draft team by team, there are 2 teams that had demonstrably better drafts than we did, IMO - Detroit (who KILLED it) and GB. Houston, Arizona, Dallas and a few others had drafts on par with ours.

But we pulled Kelce and Fisher from that draft and the bottom line is that there just wasn't a shitload better to have reasonably done there. The draft sucked. We took 2 guys from that draft who would have gone in the top 10 if the draft was re-done today - that's pretty alright. And for a draft that had NO consensus top pick, that's pretty outstanding really.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I would say "Because Chiefs" but we have Patrick Mahomes now and nobody else does. We also drafted an alcoholic who ended up turning himself into the best TE in football, a woman-beater who outwardly has turned into a model citizen and most dangerous WR in the game and a lazy DL who suddenly developed a motor (usually).

I mean...I think we kinda need to put the 'Because Chiefs' thing to bed for awhile. Things have gone really really well for this franchise for awhile now. So long as we have 15, I'm gonna have a hard time playing the 'woe is us' card...

We got fisher and Kelce out of that draft. That’s pretty damn good.

[frozenchief]

Originally Posted by Bump

he's been alright, I don't have much complaints on Fisher. But it was a pretty bad year to have that #1 pick IMO.

You are right. I mean, realistically, who should we have drafted instead of Fisher? There was no great QB. No offensive player really stood out. Le'Veon Bell was drafted that year, but he was in the second round. Some pundits suggested drafting Bell and playing him as a D-back. Fisher was a safe choice for a franchise that was in deep shit. He struggled initially but he and Mitch Schwartz are among the 10 best, if not 5 best, pair of tackles in the league.

Eric Reid or Tyler Eifert? Reid could have helped but I'm glad we have Kelce over Eifert and we chose Kelce 2 rounds after Eifert. D'Andre Hopkins? We had no QB to really bring out his potential and now we have Tyreek, who is definitely faster.

Fisher isn't flashy but he's solid and in the top tier of LTs in the league. Considering what was available, I don't begrudge the Fisher pick. He now does a pretty good job of protecting Mahomes.

If you want a good article about how good Fisher is, here's an article from The Athletic:

https://theathletic.com/628781/2018/...osive-offense/

I don't post the article itself because unlike a lot of sources, you have to pay for The Athletic material. And articles like this are a reason you should subscribe. TL;DR version: Fisher's settled into being an excellent LT for KC.

[CoMoChief]

Mahomes has made Fisher look a lot better.

He's took a long time to develop, but it looks like he's made some strides from last yr.

[JohnnyV13]

This article ranked Fischer/Schwartz 8th best pair of bookends using ESPN's Pass Blocking Win Rate metric, which analyzes how often a tackle holds up 2.5 seconds after the snap.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/stor...cking-nfl-2018



8. Kansas City Chiefs

Left Tackle: Eric Fisher (79 percent)
Right Tackle: Mitchell Schwartz (89 percent)

One weakness of PBWR is that it doesn't adjust for opponents. That's OK over the course of a season, but it can have a big effect in a single game. That didn't matter for Schwartz against the Broncos earlier this season, when he posted a 96 percent PBWR in a game in which he mostly squared off against Von Miller.