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07-30-2020, 07:44 AM | #41146 |
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It's not innate immunity. It's about people like me, who work from home and pretty much only go to the grocery store, who aren't really part of the potentially infected pool.
They're saying that traditional herd immunity assumes people go about their business. But this is the first pandemic where people are seriously isolating in significant numbers - which is effectively like taking us out of the equation. |
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I guess that possible and I think an epidemiologist brought that up way back in March. That being said does it matter that much why it peaks at 20% as long as we know it does? |
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https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...&postcount=183 Great. So, we can look at those manly numbers, right? We have 137,000 dead already with mitigation efforts. I've given you the herder death estimates, based ~50% infection rate, IFR and R0 = 990,000 You claim that you want fewer deaths. Which one is lower? I don't know what faulty assumptions Austin is talking about.
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07-30-2020, 07:52 AM | #41149 | |
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Yes though like your saying some have removed themselves from the equation, but with the majority of this spreading in homes and workplaces I don’t know if that number is significant yet. And there’s some confusion woth herd immunity. For one it won’t be the same everywhere. New York will be different than podunk missouri towns for different reasons. Also just because it may be 20% of the population you can get massive overshot like we’ve seen in Italy and other hard hit areas. And finally just because you hit it doesn’t mean there won’t be outbreaks. It’s just that the effective population of potential infections is low enough it won’t spread crazy |
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The cruise ships and factories early were in hindsight signs that there’s some kind of immunity going on as everyone didn’t get it. That was our first sign
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Epidemiologists have actually used higher than that, yes. I was being nice by using the lower number.
Which percentage would you like to use, and I'll re-work the death math.
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The truth is you are arguing theory and opinion not fact. Period. |
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So, what percentage would you like to use?
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07-30-2020, 08:17 AM | #41156 |
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I'm gonna guess the IFR ends up around .25.
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IFR is extremely population dependent. Older and more at-risk people are doing a much better job of isolating now than back in Feb/March. So it stands to reason it would be pretty low now and stay low.
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Its also very steadily dropping no matter how you look at it. Death are in no way staying aligned with new case numbers by %. And that is just the positives we KNOW about.
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