Other Sports Cubs acquire Rich Harden - Page 2

SithCeNtZ · 07-08-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Moneyball doesn't get owned. It does the ownage. See who got the better deal in a couple of years.

Remember how the A's got Harden? Mulder for Harden? Worked out great for us the first year. Not so well the rest of the way.

They got Haren for Mulder, not Harden. The other thing about that deal was there was still a huge prospect given up by St. Louis in Daric Barton, who was a top 100 prospect at the time(#28). The A's sort of lucked into the deal as Barton hasn't been all that good but Haren obviously worked out great for them. Beane has choked on some deals as well. Look at the Tim Hudson deal, where he got outfielder Charles Thomas, southpaw Dan Meyer and right-hander Juan Cruz. All household names, as you well know. This was a brutal deal by Beane.

Ultra Peanut · 07-08-2008, 06:19 PM

That was fast.

I hate to lose Gallagher, I wish Murton nothing but the best and I'm glad he's in the league he's better-suited for, E-Pat never had a chance in Chicago, and Donaldson could be a really good player at some point. But Harden and Gaudin are awesome additions, and well worth the trade pieces.

God knows Beane isn't going to get snookered, but it looks like a win-win deal at this point.

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

One concern: Harden is already injury prone. The bad mojo over the years of Prior and Wood may end up killing Rich in some freak accident.

Coach · 07-08-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

That was fast.

I hate to lose Gallagher, I wish Murton nothing but the best in Beanetown, E-Pat never had a chance in Chicago due to Corey's miserable legacy, and Donaldson could be a really good player at some point. But Harden and Gaudin are awesome additions.

Donaldson is a good offensive player, but his defense, reportedly, did need some work. But as my previous post mentioned, Welington Castillo is turning into a good player at Tennessee (AA), so his loss isn't a very significant one.

Ultra Peanut · 07-08-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Donaldson is a good offensive player, but his defense, reportedly, did need some work. But as my previous post mentioned, Welington Castillo is turning into a good player at Tennessee (AA), so his loss isn't a very significant one.

The other thing about Donaldson is, y'know... Geo's only 25.

Your point about the "no clear-cut future role" for the guys who were traded is pretty much spot-on. Their upside seems to be:

Gallager -> Solid rotation guy, but not a star
Murton -> Nice bat off the bench (due to defensive ineptitude)
E-Pat -> Utility guy, maybe a half-decent starter at some point
Donaldson -> Offensive catcher (but again, he's only ~3 years younger than Soto, who's OPSing .902 with 15 home runs this year)

Gaudin's a really solid bullpen arm who's locked up for a long time, and Harden's a guy who can be an ace if he's healthy and has a team option for next year. Nice trade for all involved.

HolmeZz · 07-08-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Moneyball doesn't get owned. It does the ownage.

Beane has his share of blunders. He got shit back for Hudson.

**Reaper16** · 07-08-2008, 05:12 PM

One concern: Harden is already injury prone. The bad mojo over the years of Prior and Wood may end up killing Rich in some freak accident.

little jacob · 07-08-2008, 05:23 PM

This is a very good deal for Chicago.

Coach · 07-08-2008, 05:39 PM

Figured it would be Burnett or Harden....

**BigRedChief** · 07-08-2008, 05:40 PM

chit I thought this was for Haren. Nevermind.

SBK · 07-08-2008, 05:40 PM

I got to see Rich Harden kill the Braves in person, he was lights out. Great pickup by the Cubbies!

I need to make some money so I can fly up to Chicago for the World Series......(maybe I should wake up)

Jewish Rabbi · 07-08-2008, 05:44 PM

Even if Harden does get hurt right away, it's not like the Cubs gave anything up for him...I hope they choke, but great trade imo.

**DeezNutz** · 07-08-2008, 05:47 PM

Yeah, well the Royals are supposedly interested in Matt Holliday. That's right, Matt freakin Holliday.

**** you all and your teams that win.

little jacob · 07-08-2008, 05:58 PM

i have no positive or negative for the cubs or cards really. i kind of hope milwaukee does it. they have done things the right way from a little guy perspective, loaded up on high quality prospects, good drafting. made a big aggressive move to try to take the next step.

good year for the have-nots with the brewers and the rays maybe poised to make a run. florida is in second place. arizona is in the lower end of the league in payroll and are in first, although their division is awful.

Coach · 07-08-2008, 06:07 PM

Keep in mind that Gaudin is also a very solid ball player. Would make a good long-man or a spot-starter for the Cubs.

eazyb81 · 07-08-2008, 06:13 PM

Wow, Cubs gave up a lot for a pitcher that can't stay healthy.

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