The logic of drafting OT in the 1st. - Page 5

Direckshun · 01-21-2021, 01:23 PM

What we know about this team is that it typically likes to fill its roster out as much as possible in free agency and then spend its highest picks on potential replacements for job openings a year down the road, and that includes Veach.

I doubt I even need to run down the list but:

2020: CEH --> Williams
2019: Hardman --> Hill/Watkins
2018: Speaks --> Ford/Houston
2017: Mahomes --> Smith

Fisher will be on the last year of his contract, and most of us suspect Schwartz retiring.

The Chiefs obviously like Niang but going OT 1st gives them the options:

Niang vs. the rookie for starting RT
if the rookie wins, Niang can slide into guard or hold the swing tackle position
if Niang wins, the rookie can slide into guard or hold the swing tackle position
the Chiefs love Fisher but if both Niang and the rookie excel, maybe they cut bait
if only one of them excel, the Chiefs can extend Fisher

It just seems like the kind of move that gives them the flexibility in future decisions that they like to have.

I'd rather they go DE, even if it means trading up for one. But based on what we know, OT could ostensibly solve up to two different OL spots in 2021 and gives them all kinds of options in 2022 based on how 2021 goes.

**The Franchise** · 01-24-2021, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

most quality LT's are first rounders.

How many qualify LTs are you finding at the end of the first round?

Chris Meck · 01-24-2021, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

How many qualify LTs are you finding at the end of the first round?

how many are you finding later? come on man.

It is what it is.

You want to go into the season with some street bums on Mahomes' blind side?

We're probably picking #32.

duncan_idaho · 01-24-2021, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I kind of like Leatherwood or Jalen Mayfield at the end of the first. I think either could possibly play day 1.

I like Mayfield a lot. I like Teven Jenkins a lot in that range.

I don't think Leatherwood is an NFL LT, or at least not in an Andy Reid offense.

Chris Meck · 01-24-2021, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I like Mayfield a lot. I like Teven Jenkins a lot in that range.

I don't think Leatherwood is an NFL LT, or at least not in an Andy Reid offense.

I thought maybe at RT.

staylor26 · 01-24-2021, 11:33 PM

You’re already adding a very talented 3rd round pick. I know Niang is an unknown, but dude had some good tape against Young/Bosa.

Re-sign Remmers, and draft another one somewhere in the rounds 1-4.

Hopefully Schwartz can play 1 more year.

**The Franchise** · 01-24-2021, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

how many are you finding later? come on man.

It is what it is.

You want to go into the season with some street bums on Mahomes' blind side?

We're probably picking #32.

And I’m fine with that. I’m just saying....what top LTs are going to be there at #32?

Direckshun · 01-24-2021, 11:42 PM

Man, it’d sure be nice if Schwartz wanted back in and was 100% healthy. It would give us so much breathing room to figure out LT.

You just can’t count on it.

I think it shoots to the top of our needs now.

staylor26 · 01-24-2021, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

And I’m fine with that. I’m just saying....what top LTs are going to be there at #32?

I don’t see OT being BPA there.

RunKC · 01-24-2021, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Agreed. This is a deep class and Andy is masterful with the OL.

If that’s BPA, then go ahead, but no pressure to do it in the 1st.

Honestly I think this year needs to be a focus on the offense. I’d like both of our first 2 picks to be offensive minded, ideally a WR first (unless a good LT is there) and an OL in the 2nd.

I feel like we have the luxury to do that with the addition of Sneed, Gay, Wharton and Danna.

Patrick needs another WR to replace Sammy.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-25-2021, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Honestly I think this year needs to be a focus on the offense. I’d like both of our first 2 picks to be offensive minded, ideally a WR first (unless a good LT is there) and an OL in the 2nd.

I feel like we have the luxury to do that with the addition of Sneed, Gay, Wharton and Danna.

Patrick needs another WR to replace Sammy.

If KC wants an OT Veach will get one considering how he has tunnel vision for prospects he favors on the draft board

Direckshun · 01-25-2021, 12:17 AM

The evidence we have so far is that the Chiefs are comfortable getting by with bargains at guard but they’re perfectly willing to pay retail to get good tackles.

They’re going to spend some resources, guys. A fair amount of resources.

staylor26 · 01-25-2021, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Honestly I think this year needs to be a focus on the offense. I’d like both of our first 2 picks to be offensive minded, ideally a WR first (unless a good LT is there) and an OL in the 2nd.

I feel like we have the luxury to do that with the addition of Sneed, Gay, Wharton and Danna.

Patrick needs another WR to replace Sammy.

I’d prefer 2 of our first 3 picks to be OL and WR.

But that won’t keep me from taking a DE in the 1st that could take this defense to another level.

staylor26 · 01-25-2021, 01:34 AM

You know who’s probably the best fit for our offense?

Walker Little from Stanford.

He had a knee injury in 2019, and opted out in 2020. Him and Niang would give you 2 1at round caliber talents at OT that fell due to injury.

That’s how you get value while not having to use a 1st.

OKchiefs · 01-25-2021, 01:51 AM

Let’s say Fisher does have a torn achilles, 2021 is the last year on his contract. It’s unfortunate, but does this injury change the plan at left tackle going forward? If somehow Niang or someone else was able to step up at left tackle in Fisher’s absence, maybe it makes sense to let him walk after next year?

duncan_idaho · 01-25-2021, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Let’s say Fisher does have a torn achilles, 2021 is the last year on his contract. It’s unfortunate, but does this injury change the plan at left tackle going forward? If somehow Niang or someone else was able to step up at left tackle in Fisher’s absence, maybe it makes sense to let him walk after next year?

If Fisher doesn’t look like he can make it back at the start of next season,
I think they’ll either ask him to work a team friendly extension or cut him.

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You know who’s probably the best fit for our offense?

Walker Little from Stanford.

He had a knee injury in 2019, and opted out in 2020. Him and Niang would give you 2 1at round caliber talents at OT that fell due to injury.

That’s how you get value while not having to use a 1st.

Little IS a good fit. His stock has been up and down but he’s solidly in the second round range now.

I’d be cool with grabbing him there. I suspect his stock may rise as draft day nears.

01-21-2021, 01:23 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	The logic of drafting OT in the 1st. What we know about this team is that it typically likes to fill its roster out as much as possible in free agency and then spend its highest picks on potential replacements for job openings a year down the road, and that includes Veach. I doubt I even need to run down the list but: 2020: CEH --> Williams 2019: Hardman --> Hill/Watkins 2018: Speaks --> Ford/Houston 2017: Mahomes --> Smith Fisher will be on the last year of his contract, and most of us suspect Schwartz retiring. The Chiefs obviously like Niang but going OT 1st gives them the options: Niang vs. the rookie for starting RT if the rookie wins, Niang can slide into guard or hold the swing tackle position if Niang wins, the rookie can slide into guard or hold the swing tackle position the Chiefs love Fisher but if both Niang and the rookie excel, maybe they cut bait if only one of them excel, the Chiefs can extend Fisher It just seems like the kind of move that gives them the flexibility in future decisions that they like to have. I'd rather they go DE, even if it means trading up for one. But based on what we know, OT could ostensibly solve up to two different OL spots in 2021 and gives them all kinds of options in 2022 based on how 2021 goes.
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01-24-2021, 11:33 PM	#65
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $1809040	You’re already adding a very talented 3rd round pick. I know Niang is an unknown, but dude had some good tape against Young/Bosa. Re-sign Remmers, and draft another one somewhere in the rounds 1-4. Hopefully Schwartz can play 1 more year.
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01-24-2021, 11:42 PM	#67
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	Man, it’d sure be nice if Schwartz wanted back in and was 100% healthy. It would give us so much breathing room to figure out LT. You just can’t count on it. I think it shoots to the top of our needs now.
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01-25-2021, 12:17 AM	#71
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	The evidence we have so far is that the Chiefs are comfortable getting by with bargains at guard but they’re perfectly willing to pay retail to get good tackles. They’re going to spend some resources, guys. A fair amount of resources.
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01-25-2021, 01:34 AM	#73
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $1809040	You know who’s probably the best fit for our offense? Walker Little from Stanford. He had a knee injury in 2019, and opted out in 2020. Him and Niang would give you 2 1at round caliber talents at OT that fell due to injury. That’s how you get value while not having to use a 1st.
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