***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

how do you purpose healthcare workers get into work to take care of patients?

Walk, ride a bike, Uber, taxi.

[nychief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

of course. I would think that NYC itself would probable skew younger than the national average too. That should help the hospitals from being overwhelmed.

They are underwater, they are asking the corp of engineers to build/retrofit 4 field hospitals. They need 30, 000 more ventilators at this rate, thousands more beds.

This is just the first city this will happen at, unfortunately.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

More relevant is how many people will have a severe case of COVID-19 that will require hospitalization.

That’s the big concern right now. Overwhelming the health care system would be tragic. I never like to see tents as hospitals.

[nychief]

Re: Subway. This isn't where ppl are getting transmission. The outbreak started in westchester..and ridership is so far down the MTA is about out of business. This is a density question.

[KChiefs1]

How many states have issued “Stay at Home” orders?

New York
California
Washington

Has anymore been added by Governor’s?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by nychief

Re: Subway. This isn't where ppl are getting transmission. The outbreak started in westchester..and ridership is so far down the MTA is about out of business. This is a density question.

A million people per day are still using it.

[LiL stumppy]

Originally Posted by stumppy

As far as reliable info goes my best advice is pay no attention to the ones who bought whole "Fake news" bullshit. At least on CP you find a those that did and still do are the ones pushing the "it's no worse than the flu BS".

True. I had a meeting about 3 weeks ago with a county official who said he was tired of hearing about it and that it's no worse than the flu... I knew we were in trouble then. It may not be the plauge that we saw 100 years ago, but it definitely aint the seasonal flu.

Originally Posted by tk13

I get that but really the answers are out there. Just listen to the people who are the front lines dealing with this. There's a pretty common trend if you listen to the doctors and nurses who are dealing with this in the hard hit areas. From China to Italy to Washington to New Jersey. They're literally all saying this is not the flu. In severe cases you'll be stable then deteriorate quickly, in a matter of hours, ending up with septic shock and organ failure.

At the same time, out of every 100,000 people that get the flu, 61 go to the hospital. Do you think this is going along at the same rate? Are you seeing hospitals be overwhelmed every winter with flu patients?

There is no both sides to this thing. The facts are out there. There is a ton we don't know but there are clearly things going on we can see that are not normal. People have the freedom to ignore all that though to listen to some dude you went to high school with on Facebook.

I personally agree. I guess my curiosity is from this thread and the multiple users downplaying the severity. And of course, a few of the articles or quotes from MD's and Biologist that agree with their stance as well.

Interesting times we live in for sure...

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Make it an adventure...

order your sides from Jack Stack

order your meat from Joe's

When I am in KC, I get pork and beans from Jacks and brisket and sauce from Zardas and ribs from someplace else.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

How many states have issued “Stay at Home” orders?

New York
California
Washington

Has anymore been added by Governor’s?

I'd be interested in knowing how many cities around the country have issued such an order. Not just States.

[Monticore]

Has anybody asked Ubeja what about we should do.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Safe to say we can ignore China's fabricated numbers now.

This has always been the case...

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Has anybody asked Ubeja what about we should do.

He'd just reply with a list of football players and their sprint times.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

the governor said this am that he expects 40%-75% of all New Yorkers to get the coronavirus

The problem is... we have NO CLUE how many people have already had it in New York (or anywhere for that matter) and cleared it. In all likelihood it has been spreading throughout the city for 2 months already. Mild cases can be cleared in anywhere from a few days to two weeks. So we have no idea how many people are already immune. That number could be anywhere from 0.1% to 50% at this point.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

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Unfortunately, that's nothing compared to where I live. The lines here have been more than a mile long and there are long lines outside of supermarkets.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unfortunately, that's nothing compared to where I live. The lines here have been more than a mile long and there are long lines outside of supermarkets.

i weep for the coasts

i'm sure the midwest will get there