Let's talk about the Patriots

[cmh6476]

too soon?

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll

What explains your secondary's turd burger against the high-flying Titans offense just two months ago?

Entire team was battling the flu that week. We gave up 228 passing yards on a bad day. Hardly anything to get excited about.

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I hope you are just dumb, because this right here will ensure you lose the game.

You do not have the players to play man vs us. This isn't the chargers recieving core.

Sammy Watkins
Tyreek Hill
Travis Kelce
Damien Williams

backed up by

Kelvin Benjamin
Damarcus Robinson
Conley

You can mix man to man into zone concepts, and zone blitz packages. But you are not (And we are not) going to play straight man to man.

I'm not worried about a single player you mentioned, outside of Hill. We've done a great job on Kelce, Gilmore held Watkins to 18 yards in the previous meeting, and Williams is not going to hurt us with any explosive plays. Hill will be doubled.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

I don't think you understand.

Kareem Hunt was a Patriots killer. Hes in our heads. Big play after big play. The Patriots defense had no answer for him.

I think Williams is a very good player and he'll make some plays Sunday but hes not Hunt.

I don't think you understand that you're a fan making something out of nothing. That kind of psychology really doesn't exist with NFL players, only fans.

Kareem Hunt was a good back but he was a beneficiary of Andy Reid's scheme. It's really Andy Reid's scheme that is tough on the Patriots. The way Andy Reid uses his running backs pushes a defense like the Patriots.

Williams isn't as good as Hunt but he's definitely good enough.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Patriots' secondary is playing at a way higher level than in any of those games. All 3 of those games came early in the season, and in two of those games we played a large percentage of zone, as we usually do early on in the year. Both defenses will play almost exclusively man coverage on Sunday, only we've got a 1st team All-Pro plus several other highly rated players in our secondary, and you've got at BEST a mediocre secondary, and realistically much worse than that.

CHUNG

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

The great thing about the Chiefs' offense is that they don't need Williams to be a carbon copy of Hunt in order to beat the Pats on Sunday (or any other team). And they don't need to replicate the game plan from week six. From week to week, the Chiefs have seen different offensive players have big games. Hill/Kelce/Watkins/Williams/et al. This is due to their individual talent as well as having Mahomes under center and Reid calling plays. The Chiefs didn't need to throw a TD to curb stomp the Colts. They didn't need Williams to have a break-away reception to curb stomp the Colts. Reid will crush the Pats defense if they go light. Williams is only one tool in Reid's toolbox. Hill and Watkins are deadly, big play options in the run game. If Williams does what he did against the Colts, the rest of the offense should be in good shape. The real question for the Chiefs will be how the defense performs. Recent changes in the secondary are gelling and the defense seems to be improving over the last few weeks. Arrowhead will be rocking and that's not going to help the Pats' offense. Especially the o-line on passing downs. Brady might need to wear two flak jackets. Should be a great game.

I don't think hunt is better. But Williams fills a gap that actually helps our offense in a way we needed. He's effective enough as a pure runner and very effective when defenses give him too much. But he adds a big element to our short passing game which we needed. We had some very very slight hiccups for a few games but Williams and Watkins helped us develop some quick and short passing options. We may be known for our chunk plays. But we surgically carved indy up with a quick offense.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think hunt is better. But Williams fills a gap that actually helps our offense in a way we needed. He's effective enough as a pure runner and very effective when defenses give him too much. But he adds a big element to our short passing game which we needed. We had some very very slight hiccups for a few games but Williams and Watkins helped us develop some quick and short passing options. We may be known for our chunk plays. But we surgically carved indy up with a quick offense.

Yep.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Entire team was battling the flu that week. We gave up 228 passing yards on a bad day. Hardly anything to get excited about.

Oh the flu, got it.

What about giving up 265 and 3 TDs to Ryan Tannehill, with all-world Kenny Stills dropping 135?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll

Oh the flu, got it.

What about giving up 265 and 3 TDs to Ryan Tannehill, with all-world Kenny Stills dropping 135?

They were all suffering from LIGMA.

[RollChiefsRoll]

There's probably a solid reason Blake Bortles dropped 376 for 4 TDs too.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think you understand that you're a fan making something out of nothing. That kind of psychology really doesn't exist with NFL players, only fans.

Kareem Hunt was a good back but he was a beneficiary of Andy Reid's scheme. It's really Andy Reid's scheme that is tough on the Patriots. The way Andy Reid uses his running backs pushes a defense like the Patriots.

Williams isn't as good as Hunt but he's definitely good enough.

Hold on. Reid needs players to make his scheme to work. Same with Bill and his defense. We faced him when he was in Philly when he had Westbrook and Shady and they didn't do much. Charles played well vs us.

Hunt is a different player and on a different level than Williams in the passing game. As a runner Williams seems stronger between the tackles but I would need to watch more film.

Is he good enough? Depends on what your expectations are.

[mr. tegu]

Patriots fans sound like every other fan from opposing teams this season. It’s just the same thing over and over. They think they have some secret to stopping the offense. “Oh we will double Hill no problem and everything else will be fine.” “We can stop the big play better.” “We will just blitz Mahomes and make him uncomfortable.” It’s just wishful thinking.

The Colts focused on stopping the big play and keeping everyone in front and it mostly worked. But what people don’t understand, is unlike other teams, when you “slow” the Chiefs or stop the big play, they still go 15 yards at a time where other teams go 5-7 yards at a time. Sure enough the Chiefs just went 10-15 yards at a time. If you go the route of doubling one guy and risking the others beating you, the others will just shred the defense. If you blitz him then you will get exploited in the vacated areas.

[WhamBlock]

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll

Oh the flu, got it.

What about giving up 265 and 3 TDs to Ryan Tannehill, with all-world Kenny Stills dropping 135?

50-60 of those yards came on a play where we had Gronk out there as a safety.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Williams' longest catch is 32 yards. His next longest is 12. Where are the explosive plays from him? His best receiving game was 74 yards against a team that gives up the most passing yards of anyone in the league, and gave up more than all but one team in the last decade - LAC. Other than that, he hasn't had more than 37 receiving yards in a single game.

Sorry, but he is not the threat that Hunt was. Not even close.

Hunt was a running back who caught a few checkdowns but he wasn't really a receiving back. They use Williams often wide and in the slot. He creates another legit passing option, which helps create the quick passing game to counter defenses that for a few games tried to play two deep and keep everything underneath. He's also a much more effective weapon for the screen game, which reid is one of the best in the league at.

[RunKC]

41 year old dying arm won’t make it in the freezing cold and Bill knows that. That’s why they ran the ball a ton and had Brady throw 5 yard checkdown all game last weekend. That was in 26 degree weather.

Mahomes first start was in 17 degree weather...

via Gfycat

Good luck keeping up old man.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Patriots fans sound like every other fan from opposing teams this season. It’s just the same thing over and over. They think they have some secret to stopping the offense. “Oh we will double Hill no problem and everything else will be fine.” “We can stop the big play better.” “We will just blitz Mahomes and make him uncomfortable.” It’s just wishful thinking.

The Colts focused on stopping the big play and keeping everyone in front and it mostly worked. But what people don’t understand, is unlike other teams, when you “slow” the Chiefs or stop the big play, they still go 15 yards at a time where other teams go 5-7 yards at a time. Sure enough the Chiefs just went 10-15 yards at a time. If you go the route of doubling one guy and risking the others beating you, the others will just shred the defense. If you blitz him then you will get exploited in the vacated areas.

The best part of it is the OGBED/WhamFan was here before the week 6 game with all the same smack. "The Chiefs won't score 20". . They scored FORTY. But this time is different!