Panthers cutting Cam Newton

[The Franchise]

Breaking: The Panthers are expected to release QB Cam Newton today, sources tell @AdamSchefter. pic.twitter.com/Vl8RvKoDTB

— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) March 24, 2020

[ModSocks]

Also, from what i've heard about Winston from analysts i trust, the trouble with Winston isn't that he's a poor decision maker. People think that because of the high turn overs.

The problem, from what i understand, is that he's an inconsistent thrower. He'll throw dimes all day, but then the next play the decision will be good, but the ball completely gets away from him and he misfires for a bad INT.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by srvy

Because his body is giving out on him along with his will.

This is what Lamar is looking at if Baltimore doesn't limit his running and teach the kid to get down and not take those kill shots.

Totally agree.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

No way. They'd rather roll with Taylor.

Look at their HC. Look at how their team is built. They very, very clearly plan to run the ball and play defense. They couldn't handle Rivers' 20 Ints last season, no way they'd opt for another high turnover QB.

They're a "game manager" type organization. I can see them going with Cam because he can play that way. He's led run oriented offenses before.

While I'd rather have Winston personally, i just can't see the Chargers going that route.

Oh I'm not saying they will. I'm just saying they should.

Tyrod probably gives them Alex Smith light performance and that could be enough for 10 wins and even a sneaky playoff W. But it won't actually win them anything.

Winston, if they can get him to mature just a little bit, could truly make them a championship caliber team. He'd need to develop for sure, but there's a lot of runway there.

Just trying to run the football with Austin Eckler and Justin Jackson while hoping to hold teams under 20 points....well we've seen what that path gets you.

It's probably what they'll do - but that doesn't mean its smart.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by srvy

Because his body is giving out on him along with his will.

This is what Lamar is looking at if Baltimore doesn't limit his running and teach the kid to get down and not take those kill shots.

This take has been wrong for two years running. It's lazy.

Lamar and Cam's running styles are completely different. Cam sacrificed his huge body and took punishing hits.

Lamar is slippery. Crafty. He get skinny and he knows how to run out of bounds. He doesn't take the shots that Cam has, and he's a smoother athlete.

It's like comparing Jamaal Charles to Larry Johnson.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Also, from what i've heard about Winston from analysts i trust, the trouble with Winston isn't that he's a poor decision maker. People think that because of the high turn overs.

The problem, from what i understand, is that he's an inconsistent thrower. He'll throw dimes all day, but then the next play the decision will be good, but the ball completely gets away from him and he misfires for a bad INT.

For pure schadenfreude, I watched a few Bucs games last year when it was clear that Jameis was on his way to setting records.

And yes, some of his picks were misfires, but MOST of them were just god-awful decisions. And the crux of those bad decisions was a bad process - guy locked on his targets something awful. So maybe they just cannot break him of that habit.

But I wouldn't say the majority of his interceptions were simply mis-thrown balls. A guy who simply cannot consistently throw the football but isn't constantly putting the ball in harms way doesn't throw 30. You know who that guy is? Josh Allen. Allen threw only 9 interceptions but he was the most erratic passer I saw in the league last year, including Trubisky. That guy simply doesn't know where the ball's going when it leaves his hand. And those lead to a ton of yardage left on the field, poor YAC results and iffy overall productivity, but most of them don't lead to interceptions.

Winston's problem is that he simply doesn't manipulate defenses and worse, allows defenses to manipulate him.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh I'm not saying they will. I'm just saying they should.

Tyrod probably gives them Alex Smith light performance and that could be enough for 10 wins and even a sneaky playoff W. But it won't actually win them anything.

And i think they're totally content doing that. Rivers' turnovers last season musta drove the ol' ex-RB coach, Anthony Lynn, crazy.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Winston, if they can get him to mature just a little bit, could truly make them a championship caliber team. He'd need to develop for sure, but there's a lot of runway there.

Again, to my understanding, he's an inconsistent thrower, and that scares the shit out of some teams. It isn't a mental thing with him. On top of that, i have a hard time seeing Lynn and that staff developing a QB.

I agree with you that Winston is the better prospect. We both agree that the Chargers likely won't do it. I don't agree with you that the Chargers SHOULD do it. I think they're better off sticking to their RRPP offense that they plan on implementing. They're not gonna develop a Qb worth a shit there anyway.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

For pure schadenfreude, I watched a few Bucs games last year when it was clear that Jameis was on his way to setting records.

And yes, some of his picks were misfires, but MOST of them were just god-awful decisions. And the crux of those bad decisions was a bad process - guy locked on his targets something awful. So maybe they just cannot break him of that habit.

But I wouldn't say the majority of his interceptions were simply mis-thrown balls. A guy who simply cannot consistently throw the football but isn't constantly putting the ball in harms way doesn't throw 30. You know who that guy is? Josh Allen. Allen threw only 9 interceptions but he was the most erratic passer I saw in the league last year, including Trubisky. That guy simply doesn't know where the ball's going when it leaves his hand. And those lead to a ton of yardage left on the field, poor YAC results and iffy overall productivity, but most of them don't lead to interceptions.

Winston's problem is that he simply doesn't manipulate defenses and worse, allows defenses to manipulate him.

Yeah, i don't know. I can't say i've watched him a whole lot, but i've always rooted for the guy.

Chris Simms is who i am referring to when i reference my favorite analyst. He's generally spot on with his analysis and player breakdowns. A self proclaimed film junky. He feels that with Winston it's not always his decision, but instead the ball just not going where Winston wants it to go. And that according to his league sources, teams are either high on him or don't trust him at all.

I think he would be good in Pittsburgh. Maybe come in and learn under Reid and Mahomes and let Andy flip him for a pick..hehehe.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

For pure schadenfreude, I watched a few Bucs games last year when it was clear that Jameis was on his way to setting records.

And yes, some of his picks were misfires, but MOST of them were just god-awful decisions. And the crux of those bad decisions was a bad process - guy locked on his targets something awful. So maybe they just cannot break him of that habit.

But I wouldn't say the majority of his interceptions were simply mis-thrown balls. A guy who simply cannot consistently throw the football but isn't constantly putting the ball in harms way doesn't throw 30. You know who that guy is? Josh Allen. Allen threw only 9 interceptions but he was the most erratic passer I saw in the league last year, including Trubisky. That guy simply doesn't know where the ball's going when it leaves his hand. And those lead to a ton of yardage left on the field, poor YAC results and iffy overall productivity, but most of them don't lead to interceptions.

Winston's problem is that he simply doesn't manipulate defenses and worse, allows defenses to manipulate him.

A while back on Sirius Radio NFL Channel, one of the shows said that not only did Winston have 30 INT's, but also there were 21 drops by the defense too. Could have been as high as 51 INT's.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh I'm not saying they will. I'm just saying they should.

Tyrod probably gives them Alex Smith light performance and that could be enough for 10 wins and even a sneaky playoff W. But it won't actually win them anything.

Winston, if they can get him to mature just a little bit, could truly make them a championship caliber team. He'd need to develop for sure, but there's a lot of runway there.

Just trying to run the football with Austin Eckler and Justin Jackson while hoping to hold teams under 20 points....well we've seen what that path gets you.

It's probably what they'll do - but that doesn't mean its smart.

I said this same thing to staylor the other day and he disagreed. Seemed obvious to me.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Newton will be 31 next year with an arm injury and a ton of pretty rough miles on him. I also don't think he's as good a pure thrower as Winston is (though he's a better decisionmaker).

Winston's upside is significantly higher, IMO. You can scheme around some poor decisions and continue to hope that experience knocks some rough edges off. But with Newton you're dealing with a track record of injury, a guy nearing the downside of his athletic prime and a person who's simply never been as accurate in terms of ball placement as you'd like.

I'm operating under the assumption that either Newton or Winston would be stopgap measures.

I think Cam is most likely to be able to be dropped into most organizations and not cock everything up until they can find a viable solution.

Winston's got the advantages of being younger and less injury prone, but he's likely to trick some team into offering a multi-year deal after showing a bit of improvement. I don't trust him whatsoever.

[Ubeja Vontell]

The guy showed way too much bad attitude, too much negative vibe to be a leader of a team. Nobody needs him around so he probably won't be,.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

This take has been wrong for two years running. It's lazy.

Lamar and Cam's running styles are completely different. Cam sacrificed his huge body and took punishing hits.

Lamar is slippery. Crafty. He get skinny and he knows how to run out of bounds. He doesn't take the shots that Cam has, and he's a smoother athlete.

It's like comparing Jamaal Charles to Larry Johnson.

BS you can't escape them all and I have seen Lamar take brutal shots. WE will see on this one and there is reasons why RB's have the life expectancy they do.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by srvy

BS you can't escape them all and I have seen Lamar take brutal shots. WE will see on this one and there is reasons why RB's have the life expectancy they do.

And how many times have you seen Lamar at the goalline just sacrificing everything to jump over or through the defense? Not that much.

Cam lived off of that shit. He was basically a QB/short yardage RB/FB his entire career.

[KCJake]

He's shit. Why do you think nobody wanted to trade for him?

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

This take has been wrong for two years running. It's lazy.

Lamar and Cam's running styles are completely different. Cam sacrificed his huge body and took punishing hits.

Lamar is slippery. Crafty. He get skinny and he knows how to run out of bounds. He doesn't take the shots that Cam has, and he's a smoother athlete.

It's like comparing Jamaal Charles to Larry Johnson.

True. But some of the sentiment maybe correct. You do not have to take a beating to to lose a step or two. Not like elusive RB's play into their 30's to often.