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kcbubb · 04-07-2021, 10:12 PM

The NFL will not mandate COVID-19 vaccines. Thus, it stands to reason, even with incentives offered to teams and players who are vaccinated, some players aren’t going to get a shot.

Bills quarterback Josh Allen could be one of those. In an appearance on The Ringer’s “10 Questions With Kyle Brandt” podcast, Allen said he has not had a vaccine and might not get one.

“I’m still debating that,” Allen said, via Matt Parrino of nyup.com. “I’m a big statistics and logical guy. So, if statistics show it’s the right thing for me to do, I’d do it. Again, I’d lean the other way, too, if that’s what it said. I haven’t been paying attention to it as much as maybe I should have. I’ve just been doing my thing and masking up when I’m going out and just staying close and hanging around family.”

It is unclear what statistics Allen needs to see to convince him to get a shot. The Pfizer vaccine was shown a 95 percent efficacy rate in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, just 1 percentage point more than Moderna’s. The single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine was shown to have a 72 percent efficacy rate in the United States in preventing symptomatic illness and an 85 percent efficacy rate in preventing the most severe disease 28 days after vaccination.

Allen, 24, made clear he’s against any kind of mandate.

“I think everybody should have that choice to do it or not to do it,” Allen said. “You get in this tricky situation now where if you do mandate that that’s kind of going against what our constitution says and the freedom to kind of express yourself one way or the other. I think we’re in a time where that’s getting a lot harder to do. Everybody should have that choice.”

However, the league expects to amend certain protocols for those who are vaccinated and for teams as a whole if certain vaccination levels are met, which will encourage (pressure?) players to get a COVID-19 shot.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...id-19-vaccine/

Pablo · 04-08-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I see Barepuss is on a deleting rampage again. Guess I will get removed from this thread too for pointing it out. Some people should never be given any power.

Never change.

**Bearcat** · 04-08-2021, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I see Barepuss is on a deleting rampage again. Guess I will get removed from this thread too for pointing it out. Some people should never be given any power.

JFC, you're dumb.

MahomesMagic · 04-08-2021, 12:37 PM

https://www.ncbi.

.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095096/

Common coronaviruses are killer!

However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes. In fact, such “mild” coronaviruses infect tens of millions of people every year, and account for 3% to 11% of those hospitalized in the U.S. with lower respiratory infections each winter. John PA Ioannidis
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/

John P.A. Ioannidis is professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.

Just think. We have all been killing others for decades.

**morphius** · 04-08-2021, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I'm not sure how this validates the effectiveness of FDA approval.

Take it this way, if they heavily investigated the others and they caused issues, what issues were missed in the rush to get these out? My boss has been having ringing in his ears since he got the shots, Dr said that isn't even a symptom listed for the one he got. I'm not looking to condemn anyone either way, get it, wait a bit, don't get it.

tatorhog · 04-08-2021, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Supreme

The FDA has approved thousands of drugs, many of which have a laundry list of side effects that would make your head spin. But they haven't approved this one yet. Why? They need more data. But if Josh Allen wants to see more data, suddenly he is the asshole?

This is a very valid point. Putting aside any individual perception of covid, a lot of modern 'cure-alls" seem to have a never ending list of ambulance chasers a few years later. And the majority of those drugs, I would assume, were not created under the same pressure to fast track it to market either, at least not with the same emphasis that this vaccine was.

As long as its in the experimental category, you waive all liability when you take it. Meaning, if something goes sideways after taking it, you have no legal leg to stand on. If these geniuses can't make a heartburn remedy without components that are used in rocket fuel that give you cancer, then I would at least like to have some method of recourse if the shot ****s me up 10 years down the road.

Eventually I probably will end up getting the vaccine. But I'm not getting an experimental vaccine unless I have no other options at that point in my life and its a Hail Mary attempt.

**morphius** · 04-08-2021, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

hAvE yOu SeEn tHe sIdE eFfEctS oF aSpIrIn?!

Yup, you always have to weigh the cost/benefits before taking things. But if it is 1 in a million vs 1 in 20 that you can experience that symptom, you have to think a little harder...

Monticore · 04-08-2021, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tatorhog

This is a very valid point. Putting aside any individual perception of covid, a lot of modern 'cure-alls" seem to have a never ending list of ambulance chasers a few years later. And the majority of those drugs, I would assume, were not created under the same pressure to fast track it to market either, at least not with the same emphasis that this vaccine was.

As long as its in the experimental category, you waive all liability when you take it. Meaning, if something goes sideways after taking it, you have no legal leg to stand on. If these geniuses can't make a heartburn remedy without components that are used in rocket fuel that give you cancer, then I would at least like to have some method of recourse if the shot ****s up me 10 years down the road.

Eventually I probably will end up getting the vaccine. But I'm not getting an experimental vaccine unless I have no other options at that point in my life and its a Hail Mary attempt.

They were using know technology with known ingredients used in humans before they were most likely more concerned about efficacy rather than safety when they started using these vaccines.

**Donger** · 04-08-2021, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

https://www.ncbi.

.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095096/

Common coronaviruses are killer!

However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes. In fact, such “mild” coronaviruses infect tens of millions of people every year, and account for 3% to 11% of those hospitalized in the U.S. with lower respiratory infections each winter. John PA Ioannidis
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/

John P.A. Ioannidis is professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University.

Just think. We have all been killing others for decades.

The first link seems to be studying SARS-CoV. The second link is crap.

BIG_DADDY · 04-08-2021, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Barepuss

JFC, you're dumb.

Get a life, loser.

tatorhog · 04-08-2021, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Monticore

They were using know technology with known ingredients used in humans before they were most likely more concerned about efficacy rather than safety when they started using these vaccines.

Then it shouldn't be too difficult to graduate it out of the experimental category. At which time, I may get in line.

MahomesMagic · 04-08-2021, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

The first link seems to be studying SARS-CoV. The second link is crap.

John PA Ioannidis one of the top epidemiologists and most cited scientists in the world vs Old Donger.

Hmmm. Tough one.

https://profiles.stanford.edu/john-ioannidis

**Bearcat** · 04-08-2021, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius

Take it this way, if they heavily investigated the others and they caused issues, what issues were missed in the rush to get these out? My boss has been having ringing in his ears since he got the shots, Dr said that isn't even a symptom listed for the one he got. I'm not looking to condemn anyone either way, get it, wait a bit, don't get it.

My response was a bit TiC, but more so about the long term effects that aren't ever going to be found unless drug trials lasted 30 years... and we all make fun of the laundry list of possible side effects of any random drug, and I'm guessing we don't know all the possible side effects.

OTOH, given the longer term problems are rarely known (hence the class action lawsuits years later), and the serious short term effects are mostly known given the initial testing and number of shots in arms, I'm not sure they'll suddenly find side effects that have a significantly higher probability of happening to any given person than that same person having serious issues from catching Covid.

I mean, people talk about the low low chance of dying from Covid or having long term issues... so, that must mean the vaccine has a significantly higher risk of causing the same types of issues or death that hasn't already been found?

**Donger** · 04-08-2021, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

John PA Ioannidis one of the top epidemiologists and most cited scientists in the world vs Old Donger.

Hmmm. Tough one.

https://profiles.stanford.edu/john-ioannidis

Did you even read that thing?

MahomesMagic · 04-08-2021, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Did you even read that thing?

Yes, a year ago. You obviously did not. Your ignorance is still here 1 year later.

If it is not a Chinese Media talking point you are not interested.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-08-2021, 12:58 PM

If mahomes is encouraged not to play basketball for fear of injury, I'm sure the bills will nudge Allen to get a vaccine to avoid an easily preventable illness that could sideline him for weeks. Especially since he's up for contract. It's a high contact sport and as everything opens up and more players are vaccinated, there will be tons of asymptomatic carriers. Can't imagine the bills would be thrilled about putting their star qb in that situation. In football, those few weeks can cost you a season.

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