Chiefs Interesting O-Line Stats - Page 5

Pitt Gorilla · 12-02-2020, 01:51 AM

A couple of Chief OL are, apparently, playing well in the passing game.

Other fun stats at the link: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...gs#prwrplayers

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-02-2020, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I agree that Reid doesn't value OL as much as skill position players, and I totally am not arguing that he hasn't been right in that. I'm just saying it might be time this offseason to move OL up the priority list a bit since the skill position spots are in such stellar shape.

I kind of doubt the Chiefs will spend anything other than maybe one of their first four draft picks on an offensive linemen, especially when there are needs at WR, LB, Safety and TE. And unless they spend a 1st or a 2nd, that rookie offensive lineman will likely spend his first year on the bench.

Reid seems to have far more success in taking guys late and developing them for a year or so before putting them in the game.

Fulton, LDT, Allegretti, Kelce in Philly, etc.

I think it's going to be a tough sell to convince Reid or Veach that they need to spend a 1st or 2nd on a Center when they just won the Super Bowl with an former 7th round street free agent, especially since they're 19-1 in the past calendar year.

Chris Meck · 12-02-2020, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Do you have evidence of that? ESPN (and simply watching the games over the past year or so) completely disagree.

No, I'm not going to go dig up film and post it.

I watch the line a lot.

I watched the difference when Kilgore was in.

You can entirely disagree if you want to, that's fine.

Reiter and Wylie are below average.

Every team has holes, even the Super Bowl Champions, and I think we can totally run it back. I just think it's an area in which we should seek improvement this offseason.

htismaqe · 12-02-2020, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

No, I'm not going to go dig up film and post it.

I watch the line a lot.

I watched the difference when Kilgore was in.

You can entirely disagree if you want to, that's fine.

Reiter and Wylie are below average.

Every team has holes, even the Super Bowl Champions, and I think we can totally run it back. I just think it's an area in which we should seek improvement this offseason.

I think the issue here is that in your first sentence, you said "pass" blocking. The rest of your post was about run blocking.

Chris Meck · 12-02-2020, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I kind of doubt the Chiefs will spend anything other than maybe one of their first four draft picks on an offensive linemen, especially when there are needs at WR, LB, Safety and TE. And unless they spend a 1st or a 2nd, that rookie offensive lineman will likely spend his first year on the bench.

Reid seems to have far more success in taking guys late and developing them for a year or so before putting them in the game.

Fulton, LDT, Allegretti, Kelce in Philly, etc.

I think it's going to be a tough sell to convince Reid or Veach that they need to spend a 1st or 2nd on a Center when they just won the Super Bowl with an former 7th round street free agent, especially since they're 19-1 in the past calendar year.

One of the first four picks is totally fine with me. That means last year's 3rd and one of the first four in '21. That would be a good start. I agree with your other need positions and would raise you a DE.

Understand, I'm not chicken-littling here. I'm just saying that interior o-line could use some attention.

Chris Meck · 12-02-2020, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I think the issue here is that in your first sentence, you said "pass" blocking. The rest of your post was about run blocking.

No, one sentence is about run blocking.

Reiter and Wylie are subpar across the board; they're both worse at run blocking than pass blocking, but they're pretty mediocre at pass blocking too.

Look, it's fine. I'm totally driving the bus. I just think while we're talking about the line I'm allowed some criticism.

I like Alegretti, he's been solid. Remmers has done a good job filling in. I think Wylie and Reiter kind of suck.

I'd like to see a little more investment in protecting Patrick going forward. Doesn't have to be a first rounder. 3rd or 4th maybe even would be fine along with some UDFA types as we normally do.

I'm not sure why that's controversial.

htismaqe · 12-02-2020, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

No, one sentence is about run blocking.

Reiter and Wylie are subpar across the board; they're both worse at run blocking than pass blocking, but they're pretty mediocre at pass blocking too.

Look, it's fine. I'm totally driving the bus. I just think while we're talking about the line I'm allowed some criticism.

I like Alegretti, he's been solid. Remmers has done a good job filling in. I think Wylie and Reiter kind of suck.

I'd like to see a little more investment in protecting Patrick going forward. Doesn't have to be a first rounder. 3rd or 4th maybe even would be fine along with some UDFA types as we normally do.

I'm not sure why that's controversial.

It isn't.

Chris Meck · 12-03-2020, 07:46 AM

"This season, Andrew Wylie has an overall Pro Football Focus grade of 57.6, a pass-blocking grade of 60.7 and a run-blocking grade of 56.8. Wylie is the lowest-rated starting lineman on the Chiefs this season.

Wylie's grade has dipped 9.8 points from a year ago"

this is from an article in SI about titled: Wisniewski could be what the Chiefs are missing.

So, it ain't just me.

htismaqe · 12-03-2020, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

"This season, Andrew Wylie has an overall Pro Football Focus grade of 57.6, a pass-blocking grade of 60.7 and a run-blocking grade of 56.8. Wylie is the lowest-rated starting lineman on the Chiefs this season.

Wylie's grade has dipped 9.8 points from a year ago"

this is from an article in SI about titled: Wisniewski could be what the Chiefs are missing.

So, it ain't just me.

Wylie was a LG before this year, right? He got moved to RG because of LDT opting out?

Chris Meck · 12-03-2020, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Wylie was a LG before this year, right? He got moved to RG because of LDT opting out?

weren't we all lamenting how bad our LG play was?

We were.

And he's worse at RG.

Anyway, let's hope Wiz is ready soon. He made a big difference I think.

He's on the wrong side of 30 so I don't know that you bring him back next year, but maybe on a one year deal or something.

anyhoo,

I just happened upon my point in print, so I thought I'd post it.

ChiefsFanatic · 12-03-2020, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And yet the Chiefs are 11th in the league at 4.4 yards per carry.

I can't trust any stat that says Austin Reiter is a good center, or good offensive lineman. The fact that he plays next to Wiley, and the defense just chooses to attack Wiley, has to play a big factor.

I thought the offensive line played much better with Kilgore at center. I think we had our best rushing games when Kilgore was playing center.

I just want Reiter and Wiley replaced so badly. I get so sick of watching Wiley watch his man sack, hit, or flush Mahomes from the pocket.

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htismaqe · 12-03-2020, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

weren't we all lamenting how bad our LG play was?

We were.

And he's worse at RG.

Anyway, let's hope Wiz is ready soon. He made a big difference I think.

He's on the wrong side of 30 so I don't know that you bring him back next year, but maybe on a one year deal or something.

anyhoo,

I just happened upon my point in print, so I thought I'd post it.

Yeah, I'm not saying he's good. I'm saying last year he was "good enough" but we was also playing next to Fisher.

This year he's been playing next to husk of Schwartz most of the year and then replacement players the rest.

That might explain the drop-off from "meh" to "not good".

htismaqe · 12-03-2020, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

I can't trust any stat that says Austin Reiter is a good center, or good offensive lineman. The fact that he plays next to Wiley, and the defense just chooses to attack Wiley, has to play a big factor.

I thought the offensive line played much better with Kilgore at center. I think we had our best rushing games when Kilgore was playing center.

I just want Reiter and Wiley replaced so badly. I get so sick of watching Wiley watch his man sack, hit, or flush Mahomes from the pocket.

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Kilgore isn't a very good pass blocker, though. That's the issue.

We have a lot of problems on the interior line.

Chris Meck · 12-03-2020, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Kilgore isn't a very good pass blocker, though. That's the issue.

We have a lot of problems on the interior line.

I say we have two.

Reiter and Wylie.

Alegretti has played well. Remmers has done a decent job, too in spelling Schwartz.

ChiefsFanatic · 12-03-2020, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I say we have two.

Reiter and Wylie.

Alegretti has played well. Remmers has done a decent job, too in spelling Schwartz.

Yeah, they are just trash. I dislike them both, but I dislike Willey the most.

If this line was blocking for Matt Ryan, they could end his career they are so bad.

Mahomes makes them look much better than the actually are.

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Pitt Gorilla · 12-05-2020, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

No, I'm not going to go dig up film and post it.

I watch the line a lot.

I watched the difference when Kilgore was in.

You can entirely disagree if you want to, that's fine.

Reiter and Wylie are below average.

Every team has holes, even the Super Bowl Champions, and I think we can totally run it back. I just think it's an area in which we should seek improvement this offseason.

Reuter was really good in the TB game. Hell, even Wiley played better than he has. Maybe they're both getting used to Wiley at RG.

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