Football Least Deserving Hall of Famers: Round 4, The Semi-Finals

**Rain Man** · 07-15-2019, 08:02 PM

We're down to our final six. Vote for the THREE least deserving hall of famers on this list so we can see who's on the medal stand and will compete in the grand finale.

VOTE FOR THE THREE LEAST DESERVING.

RunKC · 07-15-2019, 08:03 PM

Haven’t seen the poll yet but the winner has to be Jerome Bettis.

**Rain Man** · 07-15-2019, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Haven’t seen the poll yet but the winner has to be Jerome Bettis.

I dunno. There's stiff competition at this point.

**Rain Man** · 07-15-2019, 08:22 PM

The argument for Joe Namath to be in the Hall of Fame
He passed for over 27,000 which ranks 10th among quarterbacks in the 1960 to 1980 time frame. He’s 12th in touchdown passes. He’s 7th in yards per attempt. He won a Super Bowl and was Super Bowl MVP, and is famous for the AFL’s first Super Bowl win. First QB to have a 4,000 yard season, and the only quarterback to do it before the big passing rules changes of 1978. Played his entire career in the ‘dead ball’ era of defense.

The argument against Joe Namath to be in the Hall of Fame.
While’s he 12th in touchdown passes from 1960 through 1980, he’s 5th in interceptions. 10 of the top 20 quarterbacks in yardage threw more TDs than INTs in their career, and Joe is far on the negative side with 173 TDs and 220 Ints. Started every game in only 4 of 13 seasons. In his epic 4,000 yard season, he threw more Ints than TDs, and had an amazing 5 pick sixes.

Halfcan · 07-15-2019, 08:28 PM

Broadway Joe couldn't throw the ball and hit the side of a barn.

Mama Hip Rockets · 07-15-2019, 08:29 PM

How is a guy with 173 TD and 220 INT in the Hall of Fame?

**Rain Man** · 07-15-2019, 08:38 PM

The argument for Lynn Swann to be in the Hall of Fame
MVP of Super Bowl X, with 161 yards receiving. Finished in the top ten in receiving yards twice in a 9-year career. Twice had 11 receiving touchdowns in a season. Ranks 21st in receiving touchdowns between 1965 and 1985. Saved his best performances for the postseason, with 907 receiving yards and 9 touchdowns in the postseason, averaging 18.9 yards per reception. Known for acrobatic catches.

The argument against Lynn Swann to be in the Hall of Fame.
Ranks 49th in receiving yards in the 1965 through 1985 time frame, and only 13 of the players above him are in the Hall of Fame. Only had two pro bowls. 336 receptions ranks 59th in the 1965 through 1985 time frame, placing him alongside players like David Hill, Don McCauley, and Jack Snow. Career high of 880 receiving yards in a season, which is the 208th highest yardage total in the 1965-1985 time frame.

oldman · 07-15-2019, 08:49 PM

I'm going to give Bettis and Little a pass this round. I'm also going to say that Namath belongs simply because he was one of the players that kept the AFL in the spotlight in the 60s. As far as the INTs, we old time Chiefs fans say thanks.
Stabler can suck rocks because he was a Raider, Davis can suck Stabler's rocks because he was a Donk, and Swann was only a little better than average most of his career.

**Rain Man** · 07-15-2019, 08:52 PM

The argument for Ken Stabler to be in the Hall of Fame
Threw for 27,938 yards in his career, which is 13th in the 1965 to 1990 time frame. Ranks 10th in touchdowns during that time frame. Outperformed his career QB rating (75.3) notably during the postseason (84.2). NFL MVP in 1974, named by the AP.

The argument against Ken Stabler to be in the Hall of Fame.
Despite ranking 10th in touchdowns from 1965 to 1990, he’s 4th in interceptions. In 15 seasons, he started every game only three times. Threw 194 TD passes compared to 222 ints in his career. Among the top 20 quarterbacks in yardage during that era, 11 had more TDs than Ints, and he didn’t. His best season in yards ranks 50th in the 1965 through 1990 time frame.

**Rain Man** · 07-15-2019, 09:09 PM

The argument for Jerome Bettis to be in the Hall of Fame
1,665 yards rushing in 1997 is the 25th best rushing total in the 1988 to 2010 time frame. Recorded 8 different 1,000 yard seasons, of which 4 were more than 1,300 yards. 13,662 yards rushing is the 7th highest total of all time. Ranks 6th in rushing touchdowns in the 1988 through 2010 time frame. Ranks 11th all time in rushing touchdowns.

The argument against Jerome Bettis to be in the Hall of Fame.
Between 1988 and 2010, 40 running backs gained more than 6,000 yards rushing. Of those, Bettis ranks 36th in yards per carry, at 3.93. Had only 4 seasons with a ypc above 4.0, out of 13 seasons in the league. Saved his worst performances for the playoffs, averaging 3.4 yards per carry in 199 postseason carries. Missed 4 or more games in a majority of his seasons (7 of 13).

**Rain Man** · 07-15-2019, 09:19 PM

The argument for Floyd Little to be in the Hall of Fame
Led the league in rushing in 1971 for a team that won only four games. Named to five pro bowls. Ranked 9th in total rushing yards in the 1962 to 1980 time period. Known to be the only weapon on a perennially weak team.

The argument against Floyd Little to be in the Hall of Fame.
Averaged under 4.0 ypc for his career. 26 players had more than 5,000 rushing yards between 1962 and 1980, and Little’s ypc ranks 21st among that group. His best season in yards ranks 57th between 1962 and 1980, and even that season was under 4.0 ypc, so he just got the ball a lot. Started every game only twice in nine seasons.

smithandrew051 · 07-15-2019, 09:21 PM

Swann, Bettis, Davis

**Rain Man** · 07-15-2019, 09:34 PM

The argument for Terrell Davis to be in the Hall of Fame
Had a 2,008 yard season, which is the third-best season between 1990 and 2006, and 5th best all time. Had 1,140 yards rushing in the postseason, averaging 5.6 yards per carry. Two seasons with 1,700+ yards rushing. 4.6 ypc in career, which is 8th highest among rushers from 1990 through 2006 with 5,000+ yards.

The argument against Terrell Davis to be in the Hall of Fame.
Played in more than eight games in only four seasons. Ranks 23rd in rushing yards among players in the 1990 to 2006 time frame, slotted between Chris Warren and Charlie Garner. Known as a system back as Gaston Green and Bobby Humphrey had similar production before he arrived (averaging over 1,100 yards) and Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, and Clinton Portis averaged nearly 1,400 yards in the four seasons after he broke down, with a higher ypc than Terrell. Yards were gained behind an offensive line known for dirty play, and an offensive tackle who was acquired by cheating on the salary cap.

**Rain Man** · 07-15-2019, 09:37 PM

After doing my detailed research, I'm voting against:

1. Terrell Davis. Seriously the guy had only four years of production, and he was very easily replaced. He's not a Hall of Famer. He's a two-year system back.

2. Lynn Swann. It's bizarre that this guy is in the Hall of Fame. He's not even close. I know he was good looking and all, but that shouldn't be the criterion.

3. Floyd Little. I'm a bit more charitable about Floyd after reading comparative stats for his era, but he's still a Canton bottom feeder.

Namath, Stabler, and Bettis slide by just because of longevity more than anything else. They were okay for a reasonable amount of time, and Namath and Bettis had pretty high (albeit short) peaks in their career.

View Poll Results: Vote for the THREE LEAST DESERVING HoFers on this list.
Joe Namath	7	30.43%
Lynn Swann	13	56.52%
Ken Stabler	7	30.43%
Jerome Bettis	14	60.87%
Floyd Little	4	17.39%
Terrell Davis	19	82.61%
All of these players are deserving of the Hall of Fame	0	0%
I weep for the sport of football.	2	8.70%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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07-15-2019, 08:03 PM	#2
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2239611	Haven’t seen the poll yet but the winner has to be Jerome Bettis. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray
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07-15-2019, 08:22 PM	#4
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3308491 VARSITY	The argument for Joe Namath to be in the Hall of Fame He passed for over 27,000 which ranks 10th among quarterbacks in the 1960 to 1980 time frame. He’s 12th in touchdown passes. He’s 7th in yards per attempt. He won a Super Bowl and was Super Bowl MVP, and is famous for the AFL’s first Super Bowl win. First QB to have a 4,000 yard season, and the only quarterback to do it before the big passing rules changes of 1978. Played his entire career in the ‘dead ball’ era of defense. The argument against Joe Namath to be in the Hall of Fame. While’s he 12th in touchdown passes from 1960 through 1980, he’s 5th in interceptions. 10 of the top 20 quarterbacks in yardage threw more TDs than INTs in their career, and Joe is far on the negative side with 173 TDs and 220 Ints. Started every game in only 4 of 13 seasons. In his epic 4,000 yard season, he threw more Ints than TDs, and had an amazing 5 pick sixes. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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07-15-2019, 08:28 PM	#5
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Mama Hip Rockets You don't faze me, Gobble. Join Date: Dec 2005 Casino cash: $10005644	How is a guy with 173 TD and 220 INT in the Hall of Fame?
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07-15-2019, 08:38 PM	#7
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3308491 VARSITY	The argument for Lynn Swann to be in the Hall of Fame MVP of Super Bowl X, with 161 yards receiving. Finished in the top ten in receiving yards twice in a 9-year career. Twice had 11 receiving touchdowns in a season. Ranks 21st in receiving touchdowns between 1965 and 1985. Saved his best performances for the postseason, with 907 receiving yards and 9 touchdowns in the postseason, averaging 18.9 yards per reception. Known for acrobatic catches. The argument against Lynn Swann to be in the Hall of Fame. Ranks 49th in receiving yards in the 1965 through 1985 time frame, and only 13 of the players above him are in the Hall of Fame. Only had two pro bowls. 336 receptions ranks 59th in the 1965 through 1985 time frame, placing him alongside players like David Hill, Don McCauley, and Jack Snow. Career high of 880 receiving yards in a season, which is the 208th highest yardage total in the 1965-1985 time frame. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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07-15-2019, 08:49 PM	#8
oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	I'm going to give Bettis and Little a pass this round. I'm also going to say that Namath belongs simply because he was one of the players that kept the AFL in the spotlight in the 60s. As far as the INTs, we old time Chiefs fans say thanks. Stabler can suck rocks because he was a Raider, Davis can suck Stabler's rocks because he was a Donk, and Swann was only a little better than average most of his career.
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07-15-2019, 08:52 PM	#9
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3308491 VARSITY	The argument for Ken Stabler to be in the Hall of Fame Threw for 27,938 yards in his career, which is 13th in the 1965 to 1990 time frame. Ranks 10th in touchdowns during that time frame. Outperformed his career QB rating (75.3) notably during the postseason (84.2). NFL MVP in 1974, named by the AP. The argument against Ken Stabler to be in the Hall of Fame. Despite ranking 10th in touchdowns from 1965 to 1990, he’s 4th in interceptions. In 15 seasons, he started every game only three times. Threw 194 TD passes compared to 222 ints in his career. Among the top 20 quarterbacks in yardage during that era, 11 had more TDs than Ints, and he didn’t. His best season in yards ranks 50th in the 1965 through 1990 time frame. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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07-15-2019, 09:09 PM	#10
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3308491 VARSITY	The argument for Jerome Bettis to be in the Hall of Fame 1,665 yards rushing in 1997 is the 25th best rushing total in the 1988 to 2010 time frame. Recorded 8 different 1,000 yard seasons, of which 4 were more than 1,300 yards. 13,662 yards rushing is the 7th highest total of all time. Ranks 6th in rushing touchdowns in the 1988 through 2010 time frame. Ranks 11th all time in rushing touchdowns. The argument against Jerome Bettis to be in the Hall of Fame. Between 1988 and 2010, 40 running backs gained more than 6,000 yards rushing. Of those, Bettis ranks 36th in yards per carry, at 3.93. Had only 4 seasons with a ypc above 4.0, out of 13 seasons in the league. Saved his worst performances for the playoffs, averaging 3.4 yards per carry in 199 postseason carries. Missed 4 or more games in a majority of his seasons (7 of 13). __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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07-15-2019, 09:19 PM	#11
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3308491 VARSITY	The argument for Floyd Little to be in the Hall of Fame Led the league in rushing in 1971 for a team that won only four games. Named to five pro bowls. Ranked 9th in total rushing yards in the 1962 to 1980 time period. Known to be the only weapon on a perennially weak team. The argument against Floyd Little to be in the Hall of Fame. Averaged under 4.0 ypc for his career. 26 players had more than 5,000 rushing yards between 1962 and 1980, and Little’s ypc ranks 21st among that group. His best season in yards ranks 57th between 1962 and 1980, and even that season was under 4.0 ypc, so he just got the ball a lot. Started every game only twice in nine seasons. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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07-15-2019, 09:34 PM	#13
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3308491 VARSITY	The argument for Terrell Davis to be in the Hall of Fame Had a 2,008 yard season, which is the third-best season between 1990 and 2006, and 5th best all time. Had 1,140 yards rushing in the postseason, averaging 5.6 yards per carry. Two seasons with 1,700+ yards rushing. 4.6 ypc in career, which is 8th highest among rushers from 1990 through 2006 with 5,000+ yards. The argument against Terrell Davis to be in the Hall of Fame. Played in more than eight games in only four seasons. Ranks 23rd in rushing yards among players in the 1990 to 2006 time frame, slotted between Chris Warren and Charlie Garner. Known as a system back as Gaston Green and Bobby Humphrey had similar production before he arrived (averaging over 1,100 yards) and Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, and Clinton Portis averaged nearly 1,400 yards in the four seasons after he broke down, with a higher ypc than Terrell. Yards were gained behind an offensive line known for dirty play, and an offensive tackle who was acquired by cheating on the salary cap. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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07-15-2019, 09:37 PM	#14
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3308491 VARSITY	After doing my detailed research, I'm voting against: 1. Terrell Davis. Seriously the guy had only four years of production, and he was very easily replaced. He's not a Hall of Famer. He's a two-year system back. 2. Lynn Swann. It's bizarre that this guy is in the Hall of Fame. He's not even close. I know he was good looking and all, but that shouldn't be the criterion. 3. Floyd Little. I'm a bit more charitable about Floyd after reading comparative stats for his era, but he's still a Canton bottom feeder. Namath, Stabler, and Bettis slide by just because of longevity more than anything else. They were okay for a reasonable amount of time, and Namath and Bettis had pretty high (albeit short) peaks in their career. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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