Chiefs 2018 Free Agents - Page 202

Couch-Potato · 01-10-2018, 09:52 AM

Who are you letting walk/cutting/retiring?

http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/...8-free-agents/

Who are you targeting?

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nf...t-tracker?pg=1

**The Franchise** · 03-13-2018, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Cousins to Minnesota for 3yrs/$84M all guaranteed

Vikings, Eagles and Rams are going to kill each other next year.

Sassy Squatch · 03-13-2018, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Cousins to Minnesota for 3yrs/$84M all guaranteed

Thanks for completely ****ing the market. Big money is one thing, but fully guaranteed?

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-13-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Cousins to Minnesota for 3yrs/$84M all guaranteed

Stupid. Absolutely ****ing stupid. Every penny guaranteed. Every contract there after is ruined now.

Mother****erJones · 03-13-2018, 10:09 AM

Let’s see what KC does at DL and CB

Bewbies · 03-13-2018, 10:10 AM

Brees got $27M guaranteed this year, Cousins with $28M guaranteed for 3.

Think Ryan or Rodgers gets $29M or $30M for more than 3 years in an extension?

Hoover · 03-13-2018, 10:12 AM

I think three year deals are the future in the NFL. A lot of those today!

O.city · 03-13-2018, 10:12 AM

Good for Cousins getting guaranteed money.

O.city · 03-13-2018, 10:13 AM

If Cousins is getting that, imagine what Rodgers would get on the open market.

**Rausch** · 03-13-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Brees got $27M guaranteed this year, Cousins with $28M guaranteed for 3.

Think Ryan or Rodgers gets $29M or $30M for more than 3 years in an extension?

Probably.

And neither team will go back to a SB...

pugsnotdrugs19 · 03-13-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Vikings, Eagles and Rams are going to kill each other next year.

Saints too, Packers maybe even. Rough go on that side.

KChiefs1 · 03-13-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Cousins to Minnesota for 3yrs/$84M all guaranteed

Yikes.

Quesadilla Joe · 03-13-2018, 10:15 AM

Bill Barnwell is grading FA moves...

WR Sammy Watkins, Chiefs

Spoiler!

Grade: D+

The problem in evaluating Watkins is that every analysis starts with the reference point of 2014, when the Bills used two first-round picks and passed on Odell Beckham Jr. to move up and grab Watkins at No. 4 overall. Since then, Watkins has only shown flashes of the guy whose ceiling seemed to be Julio Jones-esque at Clemson. In 2015, Watkins finished the year by generating 679 yards and six touchdowns over the final six weeks of the year, which seemed to portend superstardom to come.

In April 2016, though, Watkins suffered a Jones fracture in his left foot, which required surgery. The Bills rushed him back onto the field, but after Watkins limped through two games, he underwent a second surgery, went back on injured reserve and missed half the year. The Bills traded him to the Rams before the 2017 season, and it's fair to wonder whether concerns about the foot made the Rams wonder whether a long-term deal was in their best interests.

Watkins was an absolute terror in the red zone and little more during his lone season in Los Angeles. He was thrown the ball nine times in the red zone and came away with seven touchdowns, which was second among wideouts behind Jarvis Landry. Nobody else came close to that touchdown rate, and while Watkins has the size and talent to excel in the red zone, he needed 19 targets to score five red zone touchdowns during his time in Buffalo.

The Jones fracture is going to end up dictating Watkins' long-term success, and wideouts haven't always been able to get past their foot issues. Julian Edelman and Julio Jones were both able to recover from a broken foot and return to their previous level of play. On the flip side, though, Hakeem Nicks suffered a Jones fracture after a breakout season in 2011 and never really returned to that level of form; after back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons at ages 22 and 23, Nicks was out of football by 27. Likewise, Dez Bryant hasn't looked the same since breaking his foot in 2015.

Watkins' chances of turning back into the guy who looked like a budding superstar at the end of 2015 will depend on that foot, and while the upside is still theoretically there, he comes with an enormous amount of risk. Teams employ doctors and have players take physicals for a reason, but the Chiefs are making an enormous bet by giving Watkins more money than Robinson, who has a less terrifying injury history and has been more productive than Watkins on a game-by-game basis. The Chiefs needed some help at wide receiver alongside Tyreek Hill, but with initial reports suggesting this is a three-year, $48 million deal with $30 million guaranteed, this seems like a team betting that their scouting report from four years ago was more accurate than what they've seen since.

WR Albert Wilson, Dolphins

Spoiler!

Grade: D+

Wilson's final game as a member of the Chiefs was comfortably his best as a pro. The 25-year-old averaged just 26 receiving yards per game before Week 17 of the 2017 season, but with Patrick Mahomes under center and both Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce on the sidelines, Wilson went off for 10 catches and 147 yards against the Broncos. It was the first time Wilson had produced a 100-yard game since his final season at Georgia State back in 2013.

Before that game, though, Wilson had struggled to emerge as the second wideout the Chiefs have sought behind Jeremy Maclin and then Hill. Take out screens, and there have been 108 wideouts who have been targeted 100 or more times since the start of 2014, when Wilson entered the lineup. Of those 108, Wilson is 101st in targets per routes run, 94th in receptions per routes run, and 98th in receiving yards per route run. Wilson has also dropped 4.6 percent of the passes thrown in his direction, worse than the league average of 3.6 percent over that timeframe.

The rosiest scenario for Wilson was that some team would see him as this year's Robert Woods, a wideout with solid blocking skills whose talents would play up in a better offense. Come on down, Miami Dolphins! Miami was already $3 million over the salary cap after trading Landry, but as part of the Dolphins' move to fix the team culture, they're going to cut Ndamukong Suh and use some of the savings to lock up Wilson on a three-year, $24 million deal that truly seems beyond any possible expectations of what Wilson might have been offered elsewhere.

Teams obviously can have positive or negative cultures, but I'm skeptical the Dolphins are going to turn it around by spending $8 million per year on a decent third wideout. Remember that Miami spent big last year in free agency to bring back their core and add players like Julius Thomas and Lawrence Timmons to fill out the weak spots in a playoff team. Virtually all of those moves were disasters. They traded Jay Ajayi in midseason under the pretense of fixing their team culture and subsequently went 2-7 while Ajayi went on to win the Super Bowl with the Eagles.

If you want to improve the team's culture, go nuts. There are plenty of veterans with impeccable practice habits and the will to win who would have helped improve things in Miami. Most of them don't cost $8 million per year. It also would have been nice to improve the team's culture by adding an offensive lineman, given that the Dolphins already have Kenny Stills and 2015 first-round pick DeVante Parker at wideout and desperately need to fix their line.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...-bill-barnwell

KChiefs1 · 03-13-2018, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Thanks for completely ****ing the market. Big money is one thing, but fully guaranteed?

Aaron Rodgers doesn’t think the market is ****ed up.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 03-13-2018, 10:17 AM

Seeing a lot of asshats on Twitter joke about KCs defense and propensity to fail in the playoffs. I can only laugh.

It’s a new age. Bottom line is there aren’t many defenses that can hope to match up with the Chiefs right now. And the defense is already on its way to being pretty damn decent, in my opinion.

I bet we sign another good DL or CB, draft some guys on that side of the ball, and wind up feeling good about it.

The Chiefs are absolutely a threat now for that offense alone. Signing Watkins helps the defense too, if you think about it. Gonna build leads and pin the ears back.

**Rausch** · 03-13-2018, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Bill Barnwell is grading FA moves...

WR Sammy Watkins, Chiefs

He didn't grade the Chiefs' signing of Watkins - he spent his time grading the Bills decision to draft and later use him.

I just wasted my time reading that...

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03-13-2018, 10:10 AM	#3020
Bewbies Ith Fuhtbawl Time Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $9999900	Brees got $27M guaranteed this year, Cousins with $28M guaranteed for 3. Think Ryan or Rodgers gets $29M or $30M for more than 3 years in an extension?
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03-13-2018, 10:12 AM	#3021
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1678179	I think three year deals are the future in the NFL. A lot of those today!
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03-13-2018, 10:12 AM	#3022
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2764064	Good for Cousins getting guaranteed money.
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03-13-2018, 10:13 AM	#3023
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2764064	If Cousins is getting that, imagine what Rodgers would get on the open market.
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03-13-2018, 10:15 AM	#3027
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $4118675	Bill Barnwell is grading FA moves... WR Sammy Watkins, Chiefs Spoiler! Grade: D+ The problem in evaluating Watkins is that every analysis starts with the reference point of 2014, when the Bills used two first-round picks and passed on Odell Beckham Jr. to move up and grab Watkins at No. 4 overall. Since then, Watkins has only shown flashes of the guy whose ceiling seemed to be Julio Jones-esque at Clemson. In 2015, Watkins finished the year by generating 679 yards and six touchdowns over the final six weeks of the year, which seemed to portend superstardom to come. In April 2016, though, Watkins suffered a Jones fracture in his left foot, which required surgery. The Bills rushed him back onto the field, but after Watkins limped through two games, he underwent a second surgery, went back on injured reserve and missed half the year. The Bills traded him to the Rams before the 2017 season, and it's fair to wonder whether concerns about the foot made the Rams wonder whether a long-term deal was in their best interests. Watkins was an absolute terror in the red zone and little more during his lone season in Los Angeles. He was thrown the ball nine times in the red zone and came away with seven touchdowns, which was second among wideouts behind Jarvis Landry. Nobody else came close to that touchdown rate, and while Watkins has the size and talent to excel in the red zone, he needed 19 targets to score five red zone touchdowns during his time in Buffalo. The Jones fracture is going to end up dictating Watkins' long-term success, and wideouts haven't always been able to get past their foot issues. Julian Edelman and Julio Jones were both able to recover from a broken foot and return to their previous level of play. On the flip side, though, Hakeem Nicks suffered a Jones fracture after a breakout season in 2011 and never really returned to that level of form; after back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons at ages 22 and 23, Nicks was out of football by 27. Likewise, Dez Bryant hasn't looked the same since breaking his foot in 2015. Watkins' chances of turning back into the guy who looked like a budding superstar at the end of 2015 will depend on that foot, and while the upside is still theoretically there, he comes with an enormous amount of risk. Teams employ doctors and have players take physicals for a reason, but the Chiefs are making an enormous bet by giving Watkins more money than Robinson, who has a less terrifying injury history and has been more productive than Watkins on a game-by-game basis. The Chiefs needed some help at wide receiver alongside Tyreek Hill, but with initial reports suggesting this is a three-year, $48 million deal with $30 million guaranteed, this seems like a team betting that their scouting report from four years ago was more accurate than what they've seen since. WR Albert Wilson, Dolphins Spoiler! Grade: D+ Wilson's final game as a member of the Chiefs was comfortably his best as a pro. The 25-year-old averaged just 26 receiving yards per game before Week 17 of the 2017 season, but with Patrick Mahomes under center and both Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce on the sidelines, Wilson went off for 10 catches and 147 yards against the Broncos. It was the first time Wilson had produced a 100-yard game since his final season at Georgia State back in 2013. Before that game, though, Wilson had struggled to emerge as the second wideout the Chiefs have sought behind Jeremy Maclin and then Hill. Take out screens, and there have been 108 wideouts who have been targeted 100 or more times since the start of 2014, when Wilson entered the lineup. Of those 108, Wilson is 101st in targets per routes run, 94th in receptions per routes run, and 98th in receiving yards per route run. Wilson has also dropped 4.6 percent of the passes thrown in his direction, worse than the league average of 3.6 percent over that timeframe. The rosiest scenario for Wilson was that some team would see him as this year's Robert Woods, a wideout with solid blocking skills whose talents would play up in a better offense. Come on down, Miami Dolphins! Miami was already $3 million over the salary cap after trading Landry, but as part of the Dolphins' move to fix the team culture, they're going to cut Ndamukong Suh and use some of the savings to lock up Wilson on a three-year, $24 million deal that truly seems beyond any possible expectations of what Wilson might have been offered elsewhere. Teams obviously can have positive or negative cultures, but I'm skeptical the Dolphins are going to turn it around by spending $8 million per year on a decent third wideout. Remember that Miami spent big last year in free agency to bring back their core and add players like Julius Thomas and Lawrence Timmons to fill out the weak spots in a playoff team. Virtually all of those moves were disasters. They traded Jay Ajayi in midseason under the pretense of fixing their team culture and subsequently went 2-7 while Ajayi went on to win the Super Bowl with the Eagles. If you want to improve the team's culture, go nuts. There are plenty of veterans with impeccable practice habits and the will to win who would have helped improve things in Miami. Most of them don't cost $8 million per year. It also would have been nice to improve the team's culture by adding an offensive lineman, given that the Dolphins already have Kenny Stills and 2015 first-round pick DeVante Parker at wideout and desperately need to fix their line. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...-bill-barnwell Last edited by Quesadilla Joe; 03-13-2018 at 10:59 AM..
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03-13-2018, 10:17 AM	#3029
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9149447	Seeing a lot of asshats on Twitter joke about KCs defense and propensity to fail in the playoffs. I can only laugh. It’s a new age. Bottom line is there aren’t many defenses that can hope to match up with the Chiefs right now. And the defense is already on its way to being pretty damn decent, in my opinion. I bet we sign another good DL or CB, draft some guys on that side of the ball, and wind up feeling good about it. The Chiefs are absolutely a threat now for that offense alone. Signing Watkins helps the defense too, if you think about it. Gonna build leads and pin the ears back.
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