Ok so I'm curious if this scenario happens

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

The number 2 pick is worth less points than the 1. Why not just trade with Jacksonville? That's what we've done to ourselves. Again.

Because we will take whatever we can get. It's ridiculous to think that if a team is trading up they won't trade to number one. What if KC trades down to four, getting only a second rounder? Now you have just mortgaged your draft and for nothing. Kc will trade down for anything.

No team is going to risk it, knowing that KC is going to accept the best offer to trade down.

Sorry, everyone is just wrong about this theory of the chiefs not being ale to trade but Jacksonville can. Anyone trading up is going to the very top.

[KCUnited]

I'm sure Jacksonville could get a pretty nice haul.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

We should just draft his ass and as each teams gets on the clock offer him up for trade.

**** the Jaguars !

[rtmike]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

We should just draft his ass and as each teams gets on the clock offer him up for trade.

**** the Jaguars !

Or if there's a rumored deal with Jacksonville, let time expire. Pretty sure you basically just fall to the 2nd pick. But would they deal with a team in their conference? Unless Arizona is smitten with Geno??

[Hound333]

The jags get a trade down only if one team wants Geno. If its two teams they will be bidding with us. You can't take the chance that the other team would trade up to 1.

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by Hound333

The jags get a trade down only if one team wants Geno. If its two teams they will be bidding with us. You can't take the chance that the other team would trade up to 1.

Unless Reid has a bunch of people in mind he wants in the first round, the asking price will be higher. Reports seem to indicate that he wants Joeckel, while the Jags have been mocked like 15 different players because of all the possibilities of who they could pick. I think it's much more likely that the Jaguars asking price will be lower even if 3 teams are bidding for it.

[Hound333]

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Unless Reid has a bunch of people in mind he wants in the first round, the asking price will be higher. Reports seem to indicate that he wants Joeckel, while the Jags have been mocked like 15 different players because of all the possibilities of who they could pick. I think it's much more likely that the Jaguars asking price will be lower even if 3 teams are bidding for it.

True, but if your the Bills or Raiders, do you wait till the Chiefs pick and hope that the Cards don't grab the KC pick or do you just pony up. I guess the whole business is a gamble but if I think Geno is my man, im talking to KC and not screwing around.

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by Hound333

True, but if your the Bills or Raiders, do you wait till the Chiefs pick and hope that the Cards don't grab the KC pick or do you just pony up. I guess the whole business is a gamble but if I think Geno is my man, im talking to KC and not screwing around.

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you suggesting the Chiefs might take Geno? Because there is no chance that's happening.

[philfree]

The only way a team is guaranteed Geno Smith is by getting the #1 pick before the draft. I would think that waiting till draft day to see what happened witht he first pick would be risky as hell and really foolish. And no team is going to trade up to #2 before the draft to get Geno because they'll just get leap frogged by the other team that wants him. If two teams are gunning for Geno Smith they're going to have to deal with the Chiefs.

[Direckshun]

To actually answer the OP:

We'll need to basically swap 1sts, get their 1st next year, and their 2nd this year.

If we get anything other than that, we're gravy.

That doesn't sound like a lot, but truth be told, the Chiefs really need to trade down, teams don't particularly value the #1 that much this year, and the talent gap between, say, pick 1 and pick 7 isn't that great.

If the Chiefs want to trade down, they need to offer a bargain. Because that's the only way this is happening.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Indignayshun

To actually answer the OP:

We'll need to basically swap 1sts, get their 1st next year, and their 2nd this year.

If we get anything other than that, we're gravy.

That doesn't sound like a lot, but truth be told, the Chiefs really need to trade down, teams don't particularly value the #1 that much this year, and the talent gap between, say, pick 1 and pick 7 isn't that great.

If the Chiefs want to trade down, they need to offer a bargain. Because that's the only way this is happening.

I don't believe this is so. In the end QBs rule and the best QB in the draft is a commodity and if a team wants to guarantee his services then they need the 1st pick in the draft. And that shit ain't cheap. I'm not saying we should try and overcharge I'm just saying that the 1st pick in the draft has plenty of value if other teams are wanting Geno Smith.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Indignayshun

To actually answer the OP:

We'll need to basically swap 1sts, get their 1st next year, and their 2nd this year.

If we get anything other than that, we're gravy.

That doesn't sound like a lot, but truth be told, the Chiefs really need to trade down, teams don't particularly value the #1 that much this year, and the talent gap between, say, pick 1 and pick 7 isn't that great.

If the Chiefs want to trade down, they need to offer a bargain. Because that's the only way this is happening.

If it's the Raiders (3) or Philadelphia (4), I think I'd be willing to take even less than that. Maybe a swap of 1sts along with 2nds from this year and next. Of course, I'd try to get more, but in the end, I'd settle for that. I agree with you that they'll need to do it at a discount rate.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by patteeu

If it's the Raiders (3) or Philadelphia (4), I think I'd be willing to take even less than that. Maybe a swap of 1sts along with 2nds from this year and next. Of course, I'd try to get more, but in the end, I'd settle for that. I agree with you that they'll need to do it at a discount rate.

Right. Good point.

Honestly, now that Geno's out of consideration, absolutely any player we want at 1 will be there at 4. Replacing our 2nds from the Alex Smith trade would probably be enough for me as well. That would mean, essentially, we traded Alex Smith for Geno Smith.

I say 4, because there's simply no chance that KC and Oakland pull off a trade.

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Right. Good point.

Honestly, now that Geno's out of consideration, absolutely any player we want at 1 will be there at 4.

I say 4, because there's simply no chance that KC and Oakland pull off a trade.

I don't think Joeckel will be there at 4. I could see the Eagles going with him, or Dion Jordan. No idea about the raiders.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

I don't think Joeckel will be there at 4. I could see the Eagles going with him, or Dion Jordan. No idea about the raiders.

Then we take Eric Fisher.

Fisher = Joeckel

I'd probably take Fisher over Joeckel.