Let's talk about the Cleveland Browns (Divisional Round)

[TLO]

A little surprised, but not THAT surprised.

[Tonka83]

Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan

Andy's take on the situation

Reid on Kareem Hunt saying this upcoming game is personal: “Listen, I like Kareem...I’m happy for him. Things are going in the right direction for him. He’s on a good football team, great coaching staff,they won their first playoff game, there’s something to be said about that.”

— Breland Moore (@BrelandKCTV5) January 11, 2021

I read Andys quote in the voice of a parent telling their child that they did a very good job keeping inside the lines while using their cryaons.

Andy: "you did very well Kareem that is a great drawing of a green cat"

[Azide22]

Originally Posted by KC Hawks

Some members of this forum will probably be cheering for Kareem Hunt over the Chiefs.

I'm frustrated that he is not on the Chiefs still - though I agree and understand why he was waived by the Chiefs.

Watching him play is watching a train crash on every play. He is a violent football player, and a gigantic RB.

Still, root for him? Not this week, no way.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

True, but Cleveland can throw it also, and that's the key. IF they can combine their solid run game with an efficient passing one, and HIT their downfield shots (Like the Raiders did at Arrowhead) they will be a problem.

I know people want to rag on baker. He's a limited qb but he's not Matt cassel. He's been running a pretty efficient game. In the 4th quarter he inched the ball down the field when he needed to. Can't stand the guy but credit where credits due. I don't expect we'll shut their offense down. I do expect that our offense will wallop their defense.

The only tiny concern would be that Joe woods knows the Chiefs really well. And he's done well against us. But he doesn't have even close to the talent he had in SF and Denver.

[Azide22]

Originally Posted by JudasRising20

Every team remaining in the playoffs has something scary about them. For Cleveland it's the running backs. However, the Chiefs pose more scary matchup problems for opponents than opponents do for the Chiefs.

I think this is the ultimate point. We are Chiefs fans, with a few trollers around. So, it's natural for us to say "I'm concerned about Matchup X vs Team Y". But you are 100% right, the other guys have more matchup issues to consider when playing the Chiefs, than the Chiefs do playing them.

[smithandrew051]

The Browns have allowed an average of 32.5 points per game against playoff teams this year (8 games).

5 of the 8 scored at least 35.

Their best defensive effort of those 8 games came against Washington in Week 3 with Dwayne Haskins throwing 3 picks.

Their second best defensive performance was against Steelers and Mason Rudolph in Week 17.

The other decent defensive performance was against the Colts in Week 5. Philip Rivers threw 2 picks.

If we want to, we should absolutely be able to score 35+

[notorious]

Originally Posted by ljmhawk

they very well could win. that didn’t bother me. what bothered me was when he said the Browns have been playing good football for 6 weeks. uh....they lost to the jets and week 17 BARELY beat the 2nd stringers of the Steelers.

Cowherd talks. Ask to see his gambling tickets and you’ll get the truth.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn

Cowherd thinks the Browns can win

Cowherd had the Ravens as undefeated Super Bowl champs

[smithandrew051]

Cowherd said Sam Darnold was the second best young QB in the league.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by TEX

True, but Cleveland can throw it also, and that's the key. IF they can combine their solid run game with an efficient passing one, and HIT their downfield shots (Like the Raiders did at Arrowhead) they will be a problem.

Something else I should've said in my other post:

You're absolutely right about the bolded part. A lot of people harp on the whole "you can't beat the Chiefs by running the ball," but that's just half-correct.

The truth is, every time we've faced a really good running team, they simply didn't have the QB play to lean on when we stopped the run.

But if a team had top-10 QB play, and had a great running game, they could challenge KC. And like you said, as LVR did. In both games, Carr almost inexplicably played the best games of his career. He didn't make the same mental errors that we're used to seeing, he didn't throw his usual half-dozen poor balls, etc.

So you can challenge the Chiefs with a great running game. But only if you also have great QB play. Without great QB play, all the great running just isn't enough.

And while Baker has shown a big improvement over these last few weeks, he still is obviously not quite there as a complete QB. Stenfaski's system has hidden a lot of those warts. But as I said, Spags knows Stenfaski's system, and knows how to beat it.

And let's be honest: CLE's corps of Landry, Hooper, Higgins, and Chubb/Hunt, while very good, it's simply not on the same par as LVR's Ruggs, Waller, Jacobs, and Renfrow. Landry is pretty good, but we've faced far more dangerous WRs both last season and this. And Higgins is just a guy. Hooper is nice, but he isn't even Noah Fant. And Chubb and Jacobs are probably just about a wash.

My point being, yes, CLE has some nice tools on offense, but they aren't special, except for Chubb/Hunt. And Spags will slow those guys down.

On the other side of the ball, CLE literally can't cover the likes of Hill, Kelce, Watkins, Hardman. And I'd bet that we'll be able to run the ball with some effectiveness against that CLE DL. Enough to keep them honest. So KC will move the ball almost at will, and CLE will find themselves struggling several times throughout the game.

I really like our chances in that scenario.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Something else I should've said in my other post:

You're absolutely right about the bolded part. A lot of people harp on the whole "you can't beat the Chiefs by running the ball," but that's just half-correct.

The truth is, every time we've faced a really good running team, they simply didn't have the QB play to lean on when we stopped the run.

But if a team had top-10 QB play, and had a great running game, they could challenge KC. And like you said, as LVR did. In both games, Carr almost inexplicably played the best games of his career. He didn't make the same mental errors that we're used to seeing, he didn't throw his usual half-dozen poor balls, etc.

So you can challenge the Chiefs with a great running game. But only if you also have great QB play. Without great QB play, all the great running just isn't enough.

And while Baker has shown a big improvement over these last few weeks, he still is obviously not quite there as a complete QB. Stenfaski's system has hidden a lot of those warts. But as I said, Spags knows Stenfaski's system, and knows how to beat it.

And let's be honest: CLE's corps of Landry, Hooper, Higgins, and Chubb/Hunt, while very good, it's simply not on the same par as LVR's Ruggs, Waller, Jacobs, and Renfrow. Landry is pretty good, but we've faced far more dangerous WRs both last season and this. And Higgins is just a guy. Hooper is nice, but he isn't even Noah Fant. And Chubb and Jacobs are probably just about a wash.

My point being, yes, CLE has some nice tools on offense, but they aren't special, except for Chubb/Hunt. And Spags will slow those guys down.

On the other side of the ball, CLE literally can't cover the likes of Hill, Kelce, Watkins, Hardman. And I'd bet that we'll be able to run the ball with some effectiveness against that CLE DL. Enough to keep them honest. So KC will move the ball almost at will, and CLE will find themselves struggling several times throughout the game.

I really like our chances in that scenario.

I like Cleveland's WR group but the big difference is at TE. They don't have a guy like Waller and that's really what the Chiefs struggle with. Our CB's are really good. It's the LB's that struggle and so we end up playing Sorenson on a TE, which is a bad matchup against great TE's. Cleveland doesn't have that.

[Azide22]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Cowherd said Sam Darnold was the second best young QB in the league.

Does he consider 25 young? Because, well, you know.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Azide22

Does he consider 25 young? Because, well, you know.

He said this after the 2018-2019 season. To his credit, he did acknowledge Mahomes as the best.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I still think it's hilarious zilla acts like some kind of whisperer to the status of what Browns fans think. It's pathetic.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by TLO

A little surprised, but not THAT surprised.

The Browns looked good offensively and meh defensively, more so the Steelers were atrocious tip to tail.

Good for the Browns.

Their defense is about to get skewered by the Chiefs. Cle will score but won’t be able to keep up.

30s-20s type score.

[Sassy Squatch]

Zack Moss is out for the postseason. Hurts the Bills.