***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Any possibility of doing a hybrid approach? Only hanging out outside or in a ventilated garage maybe?

Obviously your risk tolerance is up to you. I'd guess you're in a reasonably safe situation, but given your son's aversion to taking any risks, I certainly wouldn't blame you for being careful.

With my own family (dad has asthma and heart conditions), I look at it this way: we're near the finish line with this damn thing. I'd rather not be the one to end it like this guy:

My niece is home from the military. She's having a party tonight with 15 or so people in a small apartment. No masks. No social distancing. 3 of those attendees are going to a Christmas eve party at my brothers. About 25-30 will attend, no masks. 6 of those people will attend the family get together on Christmas that I was scheduled to attend.


Several, at least 6-7 have/had serious health issues or 70+ years old. No one will be wearing a mask or social distancing. I'm sure this kind of gathering is going to be repeated everywhere. But, it wont be my fault if they get the Covid.

[TLO]

The pharmacy we were partnered with had all their entire supply diverted to Walgreens and CVS

They're hoping for more next week.

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

My niece is home from the military. She's having a party tonight with 15 or so people in a small apartment. No masks. No social distancing. 3 of those attendees are going to a Christmas eve party at my brothers. About 25-30 will attend, no masks. 6 of those people will attend the family get together on Christmas that I was scheduled to attend.


Several, at least 6-7 have/had serious health issues or 70+ years old. No one will be wearing a mask or social distancing. I'm sure this kind of gathering is going to be repeated everywhere. But, it wont be my fault if they get the Covid.

That sucks :-(

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

A few weeks ago I posted that my dad and then my daughter, who has a new born son, both caught the VID. Here's an update.
My daughter's symptoms were always mild and so were her boyfriend's. My baby grandson caught it and was only a little sick for a couple days. Diarrhea, crying a lot, puking. They're all fine now but my daughter still can't taste or smell some things.

My dad on the other hand has lost over 40 pounds and can't walk from one room to another without getting winded. I'm concerned about whether or not he'll ever fully recover. Time will tell. He's a tough old SOB though so hopefully he'll kick it's ass.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

That sucks :-(

They are not happy with me for not coming back.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Once you get the vaccine out where it's readily available to everyone, you fully open up and move on.

If thats the beginning of the spring/mid/summer etc.

At that point, it's everyones choice, like it or not.

Agreed. At some point you have to rip the band-aid off and go.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

A few weeks ago I posted that my dad and then my daughter, who has a new born son, both caught the VID. Here's an update.
My daughter's symptoms were always mild and so were her boyfriend's. My baby grandson caught it and was only a little sick for a couple days. Diarrhea, crying a lot, puking. They're all fine now but my daughter still can't taste or smell some things.

My dad on the other hand has lost over 40 pounds and can't walk from one room to another without getting winded. I'm concerned about whether or not he'll ever fully recover. Time will tell. He's a tough old SOB though so hopefully he'll kick it's ass.

It took a good month of not a little longer for my taste and smell to come back to what I would say is 95%. Particularly sweet things took the longest while spicy was the first thing to come back.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Any possibility of doing a hybrid approach? Only hanging out outside or in a ventilated garage maybe?

Obviously your risk tolerance is up to you. I'd guess you're in a reasonably safe situation, but given your son's aversion to taking any risks, I certainly wouldn't blame you for being careful.

With my own family (dad has asthma and heart conditions), I look at it this way: we're near the finish line with this damn thing. I'd rather not be the one to end it like this guy:

Haha...I dont want to be the Anthony Marchione of WW2

[O.city]

Kinda looking like nationally we may have peaked, but hard hit areas early are getting slammed now again it seems

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Just got word that they're close to putting one of my employees and friends on a ventilator. ****. Fingers crossed.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Kinda looking like nationally we may have peaked, but hard hit areas early are getting slammed now again it seems

We've really been coming down in cases here in NW Missouri. Hospitalizations still fluctuating, but down as well.

[jdubya]

Here in NorCal we are double in hospitalizations from our high this summer so we are still "peaking". In my County of 1.1 million we have 238 being hospitalized for Covid. However I did just read an article that said the majority of CASES are from LTCF`s as was the case earlier in the year. Again, in my city of 70k people, 33 have died from Covid.....32 of which were residents of LTCF`s.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan

Just got word that they're close to putting one of my employees and friends on a ventilator. ****. Fingers crossed.

Sorry to hear it, man. Here's hoping that he comes through fine. Same with your dad.

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Sorry to hear it, man. Here's hoping that he comes through fine. Same with your dad.

The employee/friend is actually a she, not that it matters. And thank you very much.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

They are not happy with me for not coming back.

Yep my Mom totally takes covid seriously. Does all the right thing. Totally says she gets it when I explain to her how dangerous big indoor gatherings are in the middle of winter.

And then 30 seconds later. You're coming back to KC for Christmas right? PELEEEAASEEEE!!!

As far as I can tell "...but it's Christmas" is a trump card that defeats all logic and reason.