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Old 01-30-2023, 05:54 PM  
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Joe "Cool" and being elite? Yeah, no.
I admit I realize I have been overestimating him like many others. He is quite good but elite he is not and he definitely hasn't earned his "cool" moniker. And I have heard multiple pundits now say, even after yesterday he is a better QB than Mahomes, but Mahomes is the better player. Talk about moving the goalposts to fit your narrative.

I will give him credit for the Brady comparison though as he has absolutely been carried by his defense and luck like Brady was in his earlier years in winning playoff games. But Burrow isn't as clutch as Brady was even back then.

And for those who think he is even close to Mahomes:

Burrow 0 times 30 point postseason games to Mahomes 8
300 yard games is 1 to 7
TD drives in fourth quarter is a whopping 0 to 14

Good old Nick Wright has more in the video but here is a picture with the most relevant part of Burrow's fourth quarter stats in the postseason. It's remarkable the Bengals have won any games honestly in the postseason.

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Old 01-30-2023, 06:15 PM   #16
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Mahomes isn't elite. Mahomes is transcendent.
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Old 01-30-2023, 06:15 PM   #18
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All Burrow could do this game was toss up prayer balls to his all-world WR's.

Dude threw up 4 prayer balls, one on a 4th down desperation heave, and two of them got picked.
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Old 01-30-2023, 06:15 PM   #19
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Overtime Mahomes will get this ratio reversed I assure you.
Jake Plummer was 3-0 vs Tom Brady.

It’s a team game.
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Old 01-30-2023, 06:17 PM   #21
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Nah, Burrow is elite.
I see no reason to try to dismiss his abilities. Folks would do that to Mahomes and it would drive me crazy.
Some people just want to die on a hill and be silly.
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He is still probably the second best QB right now but that doesn't mean he is elite to me which I think is evidenced by his subpar play in the biggest spots. I think the guys in the next few spots of QB rankings are closer to him than Burrow is to Mahomes.
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Old 01-30-2023, 06:19 PM   #24
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It’s a team game.
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The regular season games didn’t matter, because the Chiefs ended up with the higher seeds both years.
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Old 01-30-2023, 06:19 PM   #25
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Nah, Burrow is elite.
I see no reason to try to dismiss his abilities. Folks would do that to Mahomes and it would drive me crazy.
There is a difference between dismissing or critquing his abilities/potential and his performance as measured thus far. I am doing the latter.
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He’s good and one of the better QBs in the league. But the gap between him and Mahomes grew a lot larger after last night.
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The best QBs in the league go like this....

1. Mahomes





















2. Burrow
3. Allen
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not sure i'd put burrow in front of allen now

his picks were just as bad as allen picks

allen runs out of some of those sacks last night
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not sure i'd put burrow in front of allen now

his picks were just as bad as allen picks

allen runs out of some of those sacks last night
Burrow gets the benefit of the doubt that the sacks are all the fault of his o-line over his career but at some point he has to lose that if he continues being sacked so much. Russel Wilson was very similar for years until people started realizing Wilson really was creating a lot of sacks. Much like Alex Smith was here.
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He is still probably the second best QB right now
Prisoners of the moment.

Allen is better. Herbert is more talented.

Burrow is a top 4 QB.

But he's in a crowded class vying for that #2 spot behind Mahomes and other QB's are throwing their hats in the ring, and will continue to do so.
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