***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

So was that the "2nd wave"?

[RunKC]

UConn football trying to cancel their own season?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/s...mid=fb-nytimes

[TLO]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

ES never says anything clearly enough to really affirm or deny. First of all you have to guess at what exactly he means, which means someone else can always say "no, that's not what he means at all".

What do you think he's saying in that tweet?

https://theethicalskeptic.com/2020/0...mpression=true

As far as what they said in that tweet -

During this next week, we may well venture into territory where the majority of reported deaths did not even occur in the week/month, much less reasonable day of reporting.

You saw the NY Times today prepping minds for laundering lockdown deaths as 'Covid deaths'. Be ready. pic.twitter.com/icyyWlJ3wf

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) August 9, 2020

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by RunKC

UConn football trying to cancel their own season?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/s...mid=fb-nytimes

They already did. So did the entire MAC.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by TLO

https://theethicalskeptic.com/2020/0...mpression=true

As far as what they said in that tweet -

During this next week, we may well venture into territory where the majority of reported deaths did not even occur in the week/month, much less reasonable day of reporting.

You saw the NY Times today prepping minds for laundering lockdown deaths as 'Covid deaths'. Be ready. pic.twitter.com/icyyWlJ3wf

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) August 9, 2020

Yea man, I'd follow him real close like. It's all coming to a head, you'll see. Next week you get another piece of the puzzle. The NYT, WaPo...you'll see. They're just setting you up for the big one.

[Bob Dole]

CASES!!!

[dirk digler]

Finally, just a reminder that the data over the last week has been influenced by a wide array of technical hiccups, storm disruptions, and other confounding factors.

— The COVID Tracking Project (@COVID19Tracking) August 9, 2020

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by TLO

https://theethicalskeptic.com/2020/0...mpression=true

As far as what they said in that tweet -

During this next week, we may well venture into territory where the majority of reported deaths did not even occur in the week/month, much less reasonable day of reporting.

You saw the NY Times today prepping minds for laundering lockdown deaths as 'Covid deaths'. Be ready. pic.twitter.com/icyyWlJ3wf

— Ethical Skeptic ☀ (@EthicalSkeptic) August 9, 2020

Great. Can you explain this and the other tweet in your own words? Because I have no idea what he's trying to say.

[Donger]

North Paulding High School in Georgia will have digital learning only on both Monday and Tuesday, according to a letter from the school district sent to parents this evening.

"We have consulted with the Department of Public Health and are temporarily switching the instructional model to digital learning at NPHS,” the letter read in part. “Tuesday evening parents and students will be notified of whether digital learning will continue, or if in-person instruction may resume.”

“The school will be thoroughly cleaned and disinfected on Monday and Tuesday and the district will consult with the Department of Public Health to assess the environment and determine if there are any additional close contacts for confirmed cases who have not already been identified,” the letter read.

At least nine cases of Covid-19 have been reported at the Georgia high school that came under scrutiny last week after a student shared a photo of a crowded hallway, according to a letter from the school's principal.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Great. Can you explain this and the other tweet in your own words? Because I have no idea what he's trying to say.

ICU census, obviously.

I actually wonder if this person is trolling. Or, just a proponent of "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

CASES!!!

Those are actually dropping nationally, thankfully.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Great. Can you explain this and the other tweet in your own words? Because I have no idea what he's trying to say.

Without doing any actual research on it, I would guess he is referring to people(media) referring to all excess deaths that are related to the lockdowns as covid deaths. For example, if there are excess suicides or domestic violence deaths or even deaths such as heart attacks that could have been prevented that can be attributed to the lockdowns... those would be classified as "Covid related deaths." It certainly seems that is the direction the NYT is heading but again I am not terribly interested in diving into this since I have already written off most of the media regarding this entire topic.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Without doing any actual research on it, I would guess he is referring to people(media) referring to all excess deaths that are related to the lockdowns as covid deaths. For example, if there are excess suicides or domestic violence deaths or even deaths such as heart attacks that could have been prevented that can be attributed to the lockdowns... those would be classified as "Covid related deaths." It certainly seems that is the direction the NYT is heading but again I am not terribly interested in diving into this since I have already written off most of the media regarding this entire topic.

Yes. The only other thing I'll add is that states are also going back and reporting deaths that occurred in some instances many months ago which end up going on a daily total for today/tomorrow/etc.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by TLO

Yes. The only other thing I'll add is that states are also going back and reporting deaths that occurred in some instances many months ago which end up going on a daily total for today/tomorrow/etc.

Texas is doing the correct way and actually graphs the deaths by the date they occurred. Of course there is a lag but they show that on the graph as well.

According to the current Texas numbers, we peaked in mid-July and should be well towards the bottom of the curve in 1 month.