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Old 02-26-2020, 10:28 PM  
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***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

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Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
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People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

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Old 06-01-2020, 12:47 PM   #34276
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Old 06-01-2020, 01:00 PM   #34278
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I can’t speak for others but I don’t come here much anymore because of trolls like you who make everything a zero sum game of arguing straw men. I could give a f about the media fear mongering or the politicians. I’ve only ever cared about the science, and as a pandemic unfolds before our eyes the science has been incredible and messy all at the same time, truly unprecedented. Science is always changing and testing hypothesis, and that’s why I trust it above all, but understand it can and will change direction as more research is done. That’s the scientific method, and about the only thing one can find any truth in even as its changing at warp speed.
Normally, I would agree with you on the science part. However, it seems to be filtered through bias, politically motivated or something else.

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Hydroxychloroquine Study Corrected After More Than 100 Scientists Question Findings
BY KATABELLA ROBERTS May 31, 2020 Updated: May 31, 2020 Print
Medical journal The Lancet on May 29 issued a correction to a recent study which found that antimalarial drugs Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were linked with an increased risk of mortality in hospitals, and an increased frequency of irregular heart rhythms.

The study, titled, “Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis,” and published on May 22, included records of 96,032 patients from 671 hospitals in six continents. The patients were hospitalized between Dec. 20, 2019, and April 14, 2020.

Patients receiving the anti-malarials were put in four different groups: chloroquine alone, chloroquine with a macrolide, hydroxychloroquine alone, or hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide. Patients who received none of the treatments formed a control group. Researchers found the 14,888 patients in the treatment group suffered higher mortality when compared to the control group of over 80,000.

“We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19,” the researchers wrote.

The study led the World Health Organization to temporarily suspend the trial of hydroxychloroquine on COVID-19 patients, and to the UK regulatory body, MHRA, requesting the temporary pause of recruitment into all hydroxychloroquine trials in the UK. France also changed its national recommendation of the drug in COVID-19 treatments and halted all trials.

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A pharmacy tech pours out pills of hydroxychloroquine at Rock Canyon Pharmacy in Provo, Utah, on May 20, 2020. (George Frey/AFP via Getty Images)
However, more than a hundred scientists and medical professionals raised questions about integrity of data analyzed in the study and subsequently wrote an open letter to its authors and the editor of The Lancet, listing 10 major concerns.

These included the fact that there was “no ethics review,” and “unusually small reported variances in baseline variables, interventions and outcomes,” as well as “no mention of the countries or hospitals that contributed to the data source and no acknowledgments to their contributions.” A request to the authors for information on the contributing centers was denied, the letter said.

Among the scientists other concerns were that the average daily doses of hydroxychloroquine were higher than the FDA-recommended amounts and that data reportedly from Australian patients did not seem to match data from the Australian government.

“Too many cases for just five hospitals, more in hospital deaths than had occurred in the entire country during the study period,” they wrote, noting that Surgisphere, a healthcare data analytics company, has since stated this was an error of classification of one hospital from Asia. “This indicates the need for further error checking throughout the data base,” they wrote.

The scientists also said the authors “have not adhered to standard practices in the machine learning and statistics community. They have not released their code or data.”

“Data from Africa indicate that nearly 25% of all COVID-19 cases and 40% of all deaths in the continent occurred in Surgisphere-associated hospitals which had sophisticated electronic patient data recording, and patient monitoring able to detect and record ‘nonsustained [at least 6 secs] or sustained ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation.’ Both the numbers of cases and deaths, and the detailed data collection, seem unlikely.”

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A pharmacist shows a bottle of the drug hydroxychloroquine in Oakland, Calif., on April 6, 2020. (Ben Margot/AP Photo)
The Lancet’s study was informed by data from Surgisphere of which Sapan Desai, the president and Chief Executive Officer, is listed as one of the four authors.

“We discovered that a hospital that joined the Surgisphere registry on April 1, 2020 (in between our quarterly audit periods) self-designated as belonging to the Australasia continental designation. In reviewing the data from each of the hospitals in the registry, we noted that this hospital should have more appropriately been assigned to the Asian continental designation,” Surgisphere said in a statement.

“This hospital was properly reclassified in our database. The findings of the paper are unaffected by this update,” the company said.

In the correction issued on Friday, The Lancet also mentioned the same hospital.

“The appendix has also been corrected. An incorrect appendix table S3 was included, originally derived from a propensity score matched and weighted table developed during a preliminary analysis. The unadjusted raw summary data are now included.”

The Lancet added that there “have been no changes to the findings of the paper,” and that the corrections have been made to the online version and will also be made to the printed version.

In response to the correction issued on May 29, James Watson, a Thailand-based statistician with the University of Oxford’s Centre for Tropical Medicine and Global Health, who led the drafting of the letter, told BuzzFeed News that the authors of the study had failed to address the other nine points referred to in the letter.
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Old 06-01-2020, 01:12 PM   #34279
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My apologies to you then, I’m likely wrong labeling you. How about we don’t argue about social politics and focus the thread back on the plethora of science that has come out the last few days. Mostly positive news, and a lot of reasons to be optimistic.

There has been positive news for quite some time now, especially around increasing information about more people infected than thought and asymptomatic people.

You should care about the media and politicians though because they are one of the biggest contributors to dismissing and/or misrepresenting science and information that leads to people being used very emotional and not using their brains to think.
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Old 06-01-2020, 02:21 PM   #34280
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No way. I actually don’t expect too much of a bump in cases but that will be attributed to the warmer weather. But as soon as the rioting goes away and fall comes back, the same outlets will be all over coronavirus again, manufacturing outrage, and demanding distancing, shutdowns, etc. Make no mistake about it.
The Spanish flu showed up in the spring, mostly disappeared in the summer, and then came back in the fall much worse than before.

Hopefully covid 19 doesn't do the same.

But if it does, shutdowns and distancing would be the prudent thing to do.

Some places might be willing to adjust to new circumstances. But it's pretty clear many will not. Hopefully we don't get serious hotspots, like NYC, in the fall. But I can't say it would surprise me to see it happen.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUD_...ature=youtu.be

This doctor takes apart the recent study published in The Lancet. Now I know some people will just say this is one person, blah, blah. But that's not what I'm looking for here. I want the arrogant people who are so sure that Hydroxychloriquine will not work against COVID 19 to explain to me where he is wrong, where all of the people that signed a letter questioning the study got it wrong, etc. Now I admit that I am not educated in this area but this person sounds to me as though he is very educated with these things. This doctor says he no longer has faith in The Lancet due to this being published. Is he wrong? Why? Let's hear it.

And for those of you who say that you only trust science and want to learn and educate yourselves, will you watch this and learn some things? Or will you just ignore this and continue to be led by people who may not have your best interests in mind?
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Old 06-01-2020, 03:26 PM   #34283
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This doctor takes apart the recent study published in The Lancet. Now I know some people will just say this is one person, blah, blah. But that's not what I'm looking for here. I want the arrogant people who are so sure that Hydroxychloriquine will not work against COVID 19 to explain to me where he is wrong, where all of the people that signed a letter questioning the study got it wrong, etc. Now I admit that I am not educated in this area but this person sounds to me as though he is very educated with these things. This doctor says he no longer has faith in The Lancet due to this being published. Is he wrong? Why? Let's hear it.

And for those of you who say that you only trust science and want to learn and educate yourselves, will you watch this and learn some things? Or will you just ignore this and continue to be led by people who may not have your best interests in mind?
If this random doctor questions the Lancet study, then he should present his official peer review of the Lancet study and address his concerns the official way. That's how actual science works. Not via a Youtube opinion video. Anybody can claim whatever they want in a video, but it's meaningless until a consensus of other experts can also peer review his findings and provide confirmation or not.

Watching a video is not how to determine right from wrong. You have to actually apply the scientific process. Take his idea and apply the scientific method and let his claims be peer reviewed. If they're legit, then they will pass that process and be accepted.
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If this random doctor questions the Lancet study, then he should present his official peer review of the Lancet study and address his concerns the official way. That's how actual science works. Not via a Youtube opinion video. Anybody can claim whatever they want in a video, but it's meaningless until a consensus of other experts can also peer review his findings and provide confirmation or not.

Watching a video is not how to determine right from wrong. You have to actually apply the scientific process. Take his idea and apply the scientific method and let his claims be peer reviewed. If they're legit, then they will pass that process and be accepted.
He's not a medical doctor.
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This doctor takes apart the recent study published in The Lancet. Now I know some people will just say this is one person, blah, blah. But that's not what I'm looking for here. I want the arrogant people who are so sure that Hydroxychloriquine will not work against COVID 19 to explain to me where he is wrong, where all of the people that signed a letter questioning the study got it wrong, etc. Now I admit that I am not educated in this area but this person sounds to me as though he is very educated with these things. This doctor says he no longer has faith in The Lancet due to this being published. Is he wrong? Why? Let's hear it.

And for those of you who say that you only trust science and want to learn and educate yourselves, will you watch this and learn some things? Or will you just ignore this and continue to be led by people who may not have your best interests in mind?

I don't think most experts refer to coronavirus as the honeybadger virus ina professional setting.
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