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Old 10-22-2020, 09:28 AM  
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Opposing defenses against the Chiefs
So we see what other teams are doing against the Chiefs. Drop a bunch of guys, take away all the deep and intermediate throws and force them to run the ball.

It's really taken Tyreek out of the equation in terms of yards and targets, which sucks.

So, what can the Chiefs do to open things back up? Is it just "run the ball until they come out of it"? Because it seems unless they can put it in the endzone more doing it, it's playing into other teams hands?
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Old 10-22-2020, 09:52 AM   #16
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IMO, its in the middle of the season, and Andy and Patrick aren't going to show a lot of how they plan on beating those types of defenses and are going to be pretty vanilla in those regards.
I think this is kinda overblown. It's only a 16 game season. Coaches don't hold that much stuff back.
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Old 10-22-2020, 09:53 AM   #17
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The issue is teams might not go away from it, because if CEH beats you, you just tip your hat. That's literally what someone like Belichick is going to think.

Mahomes is so good that teams will probably get more and more extreme and trying to stop him at the cost of everything else. We have to be able to really punish teams on the ground.
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Old 10-22-2020, 09:58 AM   #18
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The issue is teams might not go away from it, because if CEH beats you, you just tip your hat. That's literally what someone like Belichick is going to think.

Mahomes is so good that teams will probably get more and more extreme and trying to stop him at the cost of everything else. We have to be able to really punish teams on the ground.
run deeper and deeper routes and set up a late rb screen. Theres a counter to every move. I have faith andy and co can figure it out.
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:05 AM   #19
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Need to get the ball to Tyreek more... he should be getting at least 10 targets a game.

I know he’s being double teamed frequently but he’s too explosive as a weapon to let opposing defenses take him out of the Chiefs offensive game plan.
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Need to get the ball to Tyreek more... he should be getting at least 10 targets a game.

I know he’s being double teamed frequently but he’s too explosive as a weapon to let opposing defenses take him out of the Chiefs offensive game plan.
This.

Back in his heyday, people double AB in Pitt. Still forced him the ball.

Get it to Tyreek. I know we have other weapons, but Hill is so much better he's gotta get touches.
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:08 AM   #21
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You guys aren't wrong here. It's waht you've gotta do.

But as we discussed in teh game thread, it kind of plays into other teams hands in that it allows them to bend but not break and shorten the game. If they can do that and keep it close, it narrows the Chiefs margin for error.

To get them out of it, the Chiefs are gonna have to run it, then score TD's. They can't stall out.
All of this true about the downside but its also true, we have to run the ball. And get TD's is a must if you want those LB's to come up closer to the line. If that happens it should open up those crossing routes for Kelce and get the every down double team off Hill.
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:12 AM   #22
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Need to get the ball to Tyreek more... he should be getting at least 10 targets a game.

I know he’s being double teamed frequently but he’s too explosive as a weapon to let opposing defenses take him out of the Chiefs offensive game plan.
No No No.... forcing throws into double teams?
You can get him out in space with a WR screen, short throws in space before the safety is on him for the double team etc. there are many ways to get the ball in Hill's hands other than throwing into double teams. Reid will figure it out.
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:18 AM   #23
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I agree with others we need to get Hill the ball more so we should move Hill to the slot and run crossers with more frequency or bubble screens
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No No No.... forcing throws into double teams?
You can get him out in space with a WR screen, short throws in space before the safety is on him for the double team etc. there are many ways to get the ball in Hill's hands other than throwing into double teams. Reid will figure it out.
When a player is as good and as dangerous as Hill, yeah, you force him the ball.
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:32 AM   #25
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People may not like this, but we need to go run heavy for a few games. And we need to blow these games out. We haven't don't that consistently with CEH. With the leveon/CEH combo we will. Not because this is a long term strategy for us. We just need to prove to defenses for a few games that we can and we will.

It's ok if there are games where our passing game can't get going. What we can't have is defenses daring us to run, and us being totally incapable of getting rushing yards. Hopefully if we can consistently pull this off defenses will have no choice but to pull someone out of coverage.
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It's not gonna be exciting. But I feel like a lot of our games will feel more like the Houston opener. Where we dominated by taking what we are given. Which is going to be short yardage stuff with a ton of real estate.
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Yeah, it's about the only way to keep it close. You aren't gonna win a shootout. You aren't gonna beat them trying to stop them.

You've gotta just take away the deep big shots and big plays, make them be methodical and hope they **** it up somehow.

The Chiefs keep ripping of 10 plus yard runs and such, it'll change.
Yep! As much as the Chiefs dominated the game against Buffalo, the score remained close. This strategy looks ugly but it keeps teams in games against us. If they can force us to kick field goals in the red zone it's a decent strategy
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This formation, especially if you add Bell into the backfield and slide Kelce into his more normal role will create massive problems. It's impossible to spy Mahomes out of this set and you have to respect the run all while having weapons in the pass game...
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Guys!!!..it looks like teams have officially entered into a "Jordan rules" period with Pat and guess what? We should ALL freaking love it because all it is doing is educating Pat and sharpening his short passing game and ability to be patient. This is great experience for the young man . He'll be watching tape of how Payton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Montana, Morino etc approached these scemes and it will only make him a bigger monster moving forward. When teams are so scared of you that they resort to this then you know you're dealing with someone very special. We already saw how accurate his short passes were against the Bills and he will continue soak it all in and grow.
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