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Sure-Oz · 04:50 PM

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Cubs Acquire Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin
By Tim Dierkes [July 8 at 5:25pm CST]

5:36pm: The Cubs' press release is out. The Cubs get Harden and Chad Gaudin for Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, and catching prospect Josh Donaldson. Jim Hendry did his best to counter the Brewers' acquisition of CC Sabathia. The A's get three MLB-ready players plus a solid offense-oriented catching prospect

Harden, 26, has been dominant in 13 starts for the A's this year. The injury-prone Harden is a tantalizing player; he's only topped 130 innings once but has a career ERA of 3.42. The latest concern: decreased velocity/dead arm in his last start. Harden has a $7MM club option for '09, which is highly likely to be exercised.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-08-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Right now offensive seems to be the Cards' biggest problem. They won tonight, but the final score was 2-0.

But against the Phillies, ON THE ROAD, I'll take it.

Heck considering the matchup was Piniero vs. Cole Hamels ill take it.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-08-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

winning records are scantly present in the NL...

That is true. Lot of teams stinking in up. Especially the NL West.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-08-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Right now offensive seems to be the Cards' biggest problem. They won tonight, but the final score was 2-0.

But against the Phillies, ON THE ROAD, I'll take it.

Against Cole Hamels, no less.

HolmeZz · 07-08-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Moneyball doesn't get owned. It does the ownage.

Beane has his share of blunders. He got shit back for Hudson.

Frazod · 07-08-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Against Cole Hamels, no less.

Yep. On the road, too.

Of course, no one will care about that - we'll just hear about how the ALMIGHTY CUBS beat the hapless Reds at Wrigley.

little jacob · 07-08-2008, 08:39 PM

the reds aren't so bad. nobody in the nl central is really that bad. the worst team is only 8 under. other than the al east, most divisions the worst team is around 20 under.

the cubs are still an indefinite 'believe it when i see it' proposition until further notice though. obviously.

Coach · 07-08-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Sorry, but being the flavor of the month cock at ESPN doesn't impress me. Beating up on the dregs of the league doesn't impress me. The Cubs have only won TWO series against a winning team all year - a two game sweep against the .506 Mets at home in April, and this past weekend in St. Louis. And it's not like they exactly beat the hell out of us, either.

Perhaps they should win at least one more series against a good team before we anoint them as the '27 Yankees.

I understand that beating up the dregs of the league doesn't impress you. However, most teams, especially good teams, HAVE to beat the not-so-good teams, like the Pirates, San Fransico, San Deigo, etc. As for the sweep aganist good teams, sometimes sweeping them isn't a necesserly. If a team wins 2 out of a 3 game series, isn't that good enough for at least 85 wins? If you take 2 out of 3 in every series, you can't do no worse than .570 at least.
As for the beating the hell out of St. Louis, no, that's true. However, a win is a win, and a loss is a loss, regardless if it's a 1 run game or a 9 run game.

I'm not annointing them as the '27 Yankees or anything like that. However, the numbers don't lie.

- 1st in the NL on team OBP of .359.
- 1st in the NL on team batting average of .283.
- 2nd in the NL on team SLG of .444.
- 3rd in the NL on team ERA of 3.86.
- 3rd in the NL on team pitching of OBA (On Base Allowed) of .320

So, obviously they're doing something right, and quite frankly, it's not something fluky. I think by the end of the season, that the Cubs will possibly win 90 games, and be at least 8 games up in the standings.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-08-2008, 09:51 PM

I think the last couple of years have proved just get in the playoffs and anybody can win it all. Heck the Cards lost in the playoffs a bunch of times with a great regular season record, but were not an impressive team at all in the regular season the year they won the world series. Go figure. Until the Cubbies get it done in the postseason, they will always have thier doubters.

Nightfyre · 07-08-2008, 10:01 PM

I admit, if I was a GM, I'd have jumped at the chance to have Harden. I love watching him pitch.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-08-2008, 10:02 PM

Speaking of A's pitchers Justin Duchscherer has an ERA of 1.78 after throwing a shutout tonight

holy

tk13 · 07-08-2008, 10:07 PM

I don't think it's an awful deal for either side. The Cubs have to go for it all. The A's got 4 guys who could play at an ML level for someone who usually can't pitch a whole season without getting hurt.

Coach · 07-08-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I don't think it's an awful deal for either side. The Cubs have to go for it all. The A's got 4 guys who could play at an ML level for someone who usually can't pitch a whole season without getting hurt.

On paper, it looks like the A's got fleeced on this deal. Of course, you can't tell how good a trade will be until at least 2-3 years down the road.

But the A's have optioned 3 of those 4 guys to their farm system, and Gallagher is moved to the pen, which I think is not a smart move. And the Cubs got two solid players, and didn't have to give up Vitters, Pie, Hill, and Marshall? That's pretty impressive.

Sure-Oz · 07-08-2008, 11:30 PM

The value would've been 10x higher if harden wasn't injured half his career

POND_OF_RED · 07-09-2008, 12:00 AM

This is outstanding. Harden was obviously the 2nd best pitcher available for trade if he can just stay healthy . Zambrano-Harden-Dempster-Lilly-Marshall. Looks like it will be an amazing 2nd half of the season between the Cubs and Brewers.

StcChief · 07-09-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

The value would've been 10x higher if harden wasn't injured half his career

yeah....Harden could be the next Mulder that the A's dumped. still pissed about that trade.

07-08-2008, 04:40 PM
Sure-Oz Stay positive, don't give up Join Date: Dec 2001 Casino cash: $3359383	Cubs acquire Rich Harden http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/0...kaplan-of.html Cubs Acquire Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin By Tim Dierkes [July 8 at 5:25pm CST] 5:36pm: The Cubs' press release is out. The Cubs get Harden and Chad Gaudin for Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, and catching prospect Josh Donaldson. Jim Hendry did his best to counter the Brewers' acquisition of CC Sabathia. The A's get three MLB-ready players plus a solid offense-oriented catching prospect Harden, 26, has been dominant in 13 starts for the A's this year. The injury-prone Harden is a tantalizing player; he's only topped 130 innings once but has a career ERA of 3.42. The latest concern: decreased velocity/dead arm in his last start. Harden has a $7MM club option for '09, which is highly likely to be exercised. Last edited by Sure-Oz; 07-08-2008 at 04:50 PM..
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1902500	I don't think it's an awful deal for either side. The Cubs have to go for it all. The A's got 4 guys who could play at an ML level for someone who usually can't pitch a whole season without getting hurt.
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