Fire Bob Sutton

[petegz28]

That is all.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by OlineDline

You can't play press man and not set your safeties deep.

You may as well play zero.

You mean like the Ravens did to us and it worked?

Also you're talking about normal downs. It's different when it's 4th and 8 for the game. A lot can go wrong on a deep ball even if your WR has a few steps - especially if our pass rush gets there first. You sell out near the first down marker imo.

Also if a bomb does work, it gives Mahomes a chance to do something with the game tied (doubt they'd go for 2 if there were 2 minutes left). You have to think about the game situation and maybe think outside the box a little.

There's no reason not to gamble on defense there when a stop immediately wins the game, but a big play doesn't lose it. Take a freaking chance. Stop trying the same thing and expecting different results.

[OlineDline]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

You mean like the Ravens did to us and it worked?

Also you're talking about normal downs. It's different when it's 4th and 8 for the game. A lot can go wrong on a deep ball even if your WR has a few steps - especially if our pass rush gets there first. You sell out near the first down marker imo.

Also if a bomb does work, it gives Mahomes a chance to do something with the game tied (doubt they'd go for 2 if there were 2 minutes left). You have to think about the game situation and maybe think outside the box a little.

There's no reason not to gamble on defense there when a stop immediately wins the game, but a big play doesn't lose it. Take a freaking chance. Stop trying the same thing and expecting different results.

I said it earlier, but I'm not disagreeing with the concept of selling out. I'm only referring to playing 2 high safeties over press man.

Fire Sutton.

If the personnel doesn't improve the results won't either.

[Imon Yourside]

Like I said before we would have been BETTER OFF had we handed the ball to the Chargers in the endzone on our last series. We would have driven the field and got a game winning fg/TD.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Bill Maas said the defense is an issue caused by coaching. Sutton's job is to scheme while position coaches are responsible for teaching, positioning and technique. With that being said, if you have no talent dummies, you can't do much which now falls on Veach and his talent scouts.
However how often does the scheme miss the matchup?
Looks to me man to man is a failure and matchups look suspicious.
I support total overhaul of defense coaches including Sutton and Thomas.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

Bill Maas said the defense is an issue caused by coaching. Sutton's job is to scheme while position coaches are responsible for teaching, positioning and technique. With that being said, if you have no talent dummies, you can't do much which now falls on Veach and his talent scouts.
However how often does the scheme miss the matchup?
Looks to me man to man is a failure and matchups look suspicious.
I support total overhaul of defense coaches including Sutton and Thomas.

Yes, burn it down and rebuild it. Nothing but pain coming from this defense, nor should it be relied on whatsoever to win a game in any fashion for us.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by O.city

No YOU get over it! pic.twitter.com/qwUKiPSsjx

— His Dirkness (@HisDirknesS) December 18, 2018

I mean......****.

This is why you should be able to review it. Or atleast sit in a room with the official and rewatch the play and have them explain what they called.

Like, come one guys, I understand officiating is tough. It's a tough gig, I've done it at the damn junior high level and it's not overly easy.

But god damn.

I don't know how anyone can watch that and not think there is some serious ****ery afoot.

[MVChiefFan]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I don't know how anyone can watch that and not think there is some serious ****ery afoot.

It’s absolutely inexcusable! It’s no different than the missed false starts, there’s just almost no way a professional ref can be written off as “an imperfect human”. Not on these types of plays. I’ve been a ref for mighty mights all the way up through high school, and even I wouldn’t mess that **** up.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

No YOU get over it! pic.twitter.com/qwUKiPSsjx

— His Dirkness (@HisDirknesS) December 18, 2018

I mean......****.

This is why you should be able to review it. Or atleast sit in a room with the official and rewatch the play and have them explain what they called.

Like, come one guys, I understand officiating is tough. It's a tough gig, I've done it at the damn junior high level and it's not overly easy.

But god damn.

We had just gone up 14-0 before that drive started. Before we kicked off, in chat I said "time for the Refs to get involved. They aren't going to let us run away with it..." And a few plays later when they should have been stopped on 3rd down, we got this beauty of a call...

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I don't know how anyone can watch that and not think there is some serious ****ery afoot.

Same thing happened to the Chargers in the 2nd half.

The third-down holding penalty that kept KC’s fourth scoring drive alive. Get out of the way, zebras. pic.twitter.com/caPZMmGWhN

— Dan Hanzus (@DanHanzus) December 14, 2018

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Same thing happened to the Chargers in the 2nd half.

The third-down holding penalty that kept KC’s fourth scoring drive alive. Get out of the way, zebras. pic.twitter.com/caPZMmGWhN

— Dan Hanzus (@DanHanzus) December 14, 2018

It was a bad call but not near as bad as the one on us. But agreed...bad call

[ILChief]

Everything the chiefs post on Twitter is met with 99% fire Sutton replies lol

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by ILChief

Everything the chiefs post on Twitter is met with 99% fire Sutton replies lol

Doing the Lords work they are.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by MVChiefFan

It’s absolutely inexcusable! It’s no different than the missed false starts, there’s just almost no way a professional ref can be written off as “an imperfect human”. Not on these types of plays. I’ve been a ref for mighty mights all the way up through high school, and even I wouldn’t mess that **** up.

I was really livid about it. But then I cooked down....

If no penalty is called on the last play, we probably give up a td on the first play. And much as I hate the protect the Qb rules, the no call on the rivers slide is called nine times out of 10. The refs all around were horrible. Not just for us.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

C2 man is fine in this 4th down situation, but NOT WHEN YOU'RE LINING YOUR SAFETIES UP 20 YARDS DEEP AND DROPPING. An incredible throw and catch from Rivers keeps the drive alive, but even implementing their typical 10-15 yard safety depth gives Parker an attempt to make a play. pic.twitter.com/qzuIGyCHW2

— Craig Stout (@barleyhop) December 18, 2018

Regarding safety depth.

Am I the only one that sees zero problems with a single high alignment with the safeties split at 10 and 20 yards in a press zone cover 3 look (Saban runs cover3 press alot) that ends up being man press with a blitz and cover 2 deep? That's a good coverage disguise meant to help the blitz get home, which it didn't, and then the corner sucked, and the safeties ran too wide in their backpedals. Saying the scheme sucks is one thing, but it wasn't the scheme. The players executed the scheme like a bunch of ****ing tards.

[OlineDline]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Am I the only one that sees zero problems with a single high alignment with the safeties split at 10 and 20 yards in a press zone cover 3 look (Saban runs cover3 press alot) that ends up being man press with a blitz and cover 2 deep? That's a good coverage disguise meant to help the blitz get home, which it didn't, and then the corner sucked, and the safeties ran too wide in their backpedals. Saying the scheme sucks is one thing, but it wasn't the scheme. The players executed the scheme like a bunch of ****ing tards.

You are correct but narratives must be fulfilled so your logical analysis is rejected.