Let's talk about the Patriots

[cmh6476]

too soon?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It is, and I'm glad.

I just want to see whether we're really THERE or not. I don't want weather excuses, or ref excuses. I want a straight up game against the GOATs. And if we lose, ok. And if we win, I'll be ecstatic.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

The game will be epic. That I know.

I still don't have a feeling who will win. I've picked the Pats to win and they lose. I've picked them to lose and they win. Whatever.

That's why you should always just pick them to win.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It is, and I'm glad.

I just want to see whether we're really THERE or not. I don't want weather excuses, or ref excuses. I want a straight up game against the GOATs. And if we lose, ok. And if we win, I'll be ecstatic.

Yep.

No excuses. I want to win/lose fair and square.

[T-post Tom]

Brady hasn't won a road playoff game since he was 29.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's why you should always just pick them to win.

Sigh...yea.

[stevegroganfan]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

No Denver had good teams.

You guys have won your last 4 in DEN. Why? You had good teams, matchups and it had nothing do with altitude.

I can go thru every Pats @MIA game and tell you why they lost and won and it had nothing to do with weather.

Had enough?

Probably the best way to analyze the Miami HFA would be too look at how they have played vs opponents when it has been super hot/humid. And then see how they played when it wasn't so hot/humid.

30-40 years of Miami home field games may be enough data to have a relevant sample. If someone did that, I suspect they would see the weather as a real factor for teams like New England that are really not used to it.

So, I disagree on your assertions here. Close losses in September in Florida I highly suspect have a lot to do with the miserable weather. I have heard too many players complain. Granted both teams have to play with it but one team has been practicing and playing in it for a very long time.

Like many Patriots fans I have gone to their training camps and even the dog days of summer in New England are just no preparation for what you can face in September in Miami.

And the thing is, you can say the Patriots or some other team failed to make this play or that play but as someone familiar with breathing difficulties, miserable weather can make anyone a little more lazy since they are dog tired. Probably changes how teams even coach with more zone. You gotta remember not only are football players running around and hitting but they are playing with pads.

I sucked at football but still played in high school. I got in very good shape for football but its kind of impossible to convince me that climate doesn't give the home teams advantages in extreme circumstances when the opponent isn't use to it.

Patriots when its frigid and playing a warm weather team, Miami when its hot in Sept and Denver - especially against non division opponents -- all have really nice home field advantages.

Notice how when the Patriots actually lose home field playoff games its usually against teams that are at least somewhat used to dealing with cold weather and rarely to hot weather teams. After all these years, I don't see that as a coincidence. It is the reason BB has the Patriots practicing in the elements quite often.

Now obviously any HFA based upon weather/climate won't make up for trash teams. But I suspect if one could truly look at the averages over a super long time with a big enough sample set -- probably tough to do that for truly hot games in Miami --, the data would back this up.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by notorious

Yep.

No excuses. I want to win/lose fair and square.

Of course but c'mon...Hypothetical. It's 30-28 Pats in the 4th qtr. Mahomes is driving the team. 4th and 12 and Reid goes for it and Gilmore get flagged for PI for admittingly to every fan that knows football says it was the worst call of all -time. Didn't touch him. Y'all kick a FG to win. You are going to the SB. We go home.

I think you'll sleep just fine...and you deserve to.

[notorious]

Nice post Grogs.

[KC Dan]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

I think you'll sleep just fine...and you deserve to.

Nope, we'd be too hyped to sleep but if we could - yes, we'd sleep like babies after all the times we have had shoved up our collective......karma rules

[notorious]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

Of course but c'mon...Hypothetical. It's 30-28 Pats in the 4th qtr. Mahomes is driving the team. 4th and 12 and Reid goes for it and Gilmore get flagged for PI for admittingly to every fan that knows football says it was the worst call of all -time. Didn't touch him. Y'all kick a FG to win. You are going to the SB. We go home.

I think you'll sleep just fine...and you deserve to.

Let’s just say we’ve all seen a lot of questionable stuff happen.

I want no controversy. If the Chiefs choke, they choke.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by stevegroganfan

Probably the best way to analyze the Miami HFA would be too look at how they have played vs opponents when it has been super hot/humid. And then see how they played when it wasn't so hot/humid.

30-40 years of Miami home field games may be enough data to have a relevant sample. If someone did that, I suspect they would see the weather as a real factor for teams like New England that are really not used to it.

So, I disagree on your assertions here. Close losses in September in Florida I highly suspect have a lot to do with the miserable weather. I have heard too many players complain. Granted both teams have to play with it but one team has been practicing and playing in it for a very long time.

Like many Patriots fans I have gone to their training camps and even the dog days of summer in New England are just no preparation for what you can face in September in Miami.

And the thing is, you can say the Patriots or some other team failed to make this play or that play but as someone familiar with breathing difficulties, miserable weather can make anyone a little more lazy since they are dog tired. Probably changes how teams even coach with more zone. You gotta remember not only are football players running around and hitting but they are playing with pads.

I sucked at football but still played in high school. I got in very good shape for football but its kind of impossible to convince me that climate doesn't give the home teams advantages in extreme circumstances when the opponent isn't use to it.

Patriots when its frigid and playing a warm weather team, Miami when its hot in Sept and Denver - especially against non division opponents -- all have really nice home field advantages.

Notice how when the Patriots actually lose home field playoff games its usually against teams that are at least somewhat used to dealing with cold weather and rarely to hot weather teams. After all these years, I don't see that as a coincidence. It is the reason BB has the Patriots practicing in the elements quite often.

Now obviously any HFA based upon weather/climate won't make up for trash teams. But I suspect if one could truly look at the averages over a super long time with a big enough sample set -- probably tough to do that for truly hot games in Miami --, the data would back this up.

We can take this to patsfans.com. I don't want to clog their board with this. Pats have won in MIA in Sept, Oct, Nov and Dec. They've lost in Sept, Oct, Nov and Dec. Same goes for MIA. Some years have streaks. Some dont.

I hear you. I also played football and wearing pads in July, Aug and early Sept sucks. Its the worst. But if you are properly conditioned, hydrated, ge your rest and play well, you'll win.

[BlackOp]

Patriots had 10 days to prepare for KC in Oct...and it was Mahomes first prime time NFL game.

Belichick threw the kitchen sink at him...I'd be really surprised if there is a lot of "unscouted" looks. BB will have some wrinkles but wont be reinventing the wheel...

I think it's very advantageous for the Chiefs...to have seen them already this year in a big time national game. The fact it's at home vs. Foxborough is a huge difference...

Chiefs will be starting Berry...which is huge. Shaw gave up that long completion to Gronk...and he's no longer on the team.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by KC Dan

Nope, we'd be too hyped to sleep but if we could - yes, we'd sleep like babies after all the times we have had shoved up our collective......karma rules

Yea you won't sleep. Happy as hell to be dragging on a Monday morning but the adrelein still flowing.

[RobertWeathers]

Originally Posted by notorious

Let’s just say we’ve all seen a lot of questionable stuff happen.

I want no controversy. If the Chiefs choke, they choke.

I respect it. Fair enough.

[KC Dan]

Originally Posted by RobertWeathers

Yea you won't sleep. Happy as hell to be dragging on a Monday morning but the adrelein still flowing.

I for one, would like to feel that way