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cmh6476 · 01-13-2019, 01:38 PM

too soon?

RobertWeathers · 01-15-2019, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll

You're such a ****ing homer. Baltimore is top 10 in total sacks and adjusted sack rate. You clowns are bottom 3 in both.

A Belichick defense isn't about sacks and hurries. Never has. Never will be. Hes right. We have applied more pressure this year as we are #2 in comp % against (BAL #1) (which is why the run D has suffered) but as you call out we don't have the closing talent BAL or you guys have.

We've been cleaning up the run D over the past few weeks and its improved. It's not great by any means but its enough to not get curb stomped like we were 6 weeks ago.

All that said a re-emphasis has been make on edge control and gap integrity. Those are priorities 1, and 2 respectfully.

Depending on the QB, it'll be either containment or moving him off his spot.

Mahomes presents a dilemma as he is outstanding at passing in and outside the pocket.

If we get to him, it'll be due to coverage sacks and not due to a speed rush.

Make sense?

WhamBlock · 01-15-2019, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll

Actually, what you said was:

Then you backed it up with cherry-picked stats that fit your narrative that somehow the Patriots' pass rush has been "more productive" than the Baltimore's even though anyone who watches the games would take the Ravens' D-line over New England's 10 times out of 10.

But you do you, Homer Simpson.

Pass rush = QB pressure

This is very basic stuff. We were 3rd in the NFL this season in terms of getting pressure on the QB.

**KC Dan** · 01-15-2019, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WhamBlock

That's not cherry-picking stats. We were talking about pressure, and I literally brought up facts about QB pressure. I'm sorry if this doesn't fit your narrative.

Let's talk about the Pats on the road:

Subtract the Jets/Bills/Dolphins on the road = they all suck though Dolphins won

Home team avg points: 27.8
Pats on road points: 17.6

Really all that matters

Scores:
Jags 31 - Pats 20
Lions 26 - Pats 10
Bears 31 - Pats 38
Titans 34 - Pats 10
Steelers 17 - Pats 10

Pats defense sucks on the road, their offense not much better and I'm hoping for a repeat performance

**RollChiefsRoll** · 01-15-2019, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Dan

Let's talk about the Pats on the road:

Subtract the Jets/Bills/Dolphins on the road = they all suck though Dolphins won

Home team avg points: 27.8
Pats on road points: 17.6

Really all that matters

Scores:
Jags 31 - Pats 20
Lions 26 - Pats 10
Bears 31 - Pats 38
Titans 34 - Pats 10
Steelers 17 - Pats 10

Pats defense sucks on the road, their offense not much better and I'm hoping for a repeat performance

I mean my God, 34 to 10?

Chief_N_Bama · 01-15-2019, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WhamBlock

You did put up 31 in the 2nd half in week 6. Don't expect to see that much Cover 2 again. however. Your offense did virtually nothing in week 6 in the 1st half when we ran our usual C1/C3 defense and disguised our fronts.

The Ravens had a much better run defense than we did this season, so yes, their defense was better overall. However, we have a better secondary than they do, and our pass rush has been more productive. 3rd in the NFL in overall pressures per snap, and top 10 in 4 man pass rush.

Chief possessions in Week 6:

8 plays 35 yards (FG)
1 play (INT)
5 plays 31 yards (FG)
11 plays 69 yards (FG)
9 plays 60 yards (INT)
3 plays 75 yards (TD)
9 plays 51 yards (FG)
4 plays 29 yards (TD)
3 plays 3 yards (TD)
3 plays 3 yards (PUNT)
1 play 75 yards (TD)

So when could KC do "virtually nothing" against NE?

KC pretty much moved the ball at will on NE, the difference in the first game was KC was 2/5 in the redzone. I don't see that happening at Arrowhead.

**RollChiefsRoll** · 01-15-2019, 05:00 PM

How many times is a team allowed to drop a 10-spot on the road before raiding a road opponent's board chest-beating about how shitty the opponent's defense is looks like tard-assery?

Chief_N_Bama · 01-15-2019, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WhamBlock

It's a good thing that sacks aren't the only thing that factor into QB pressure. For example, on both of Mahomes' INTs in week 6, he was under pressure despite not getting sacked. I'll take a turnover as a result of the opposing QB being under duress over a sack any day of the week.

I'm starting to think you didn't even watch the first game. Mahomes was under no pressure at all on this first pick. Hightower faked the blitz then dropped into coverage. And the second was more Mahomes trying to make a play instead of throwing it away and taking the FG than it was about any pressure.

T-post Tom · 01-15-2019, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Watkins is still banged up, ... You still don't have Hunt. Tyreek Hill "hurt" his knee in the Colts game, which will probably have the same effect that it did in the Ravens game - i.e. none.

WTF? You just making stuff up off the top of your head?

1. Watkins is still banged up.
FALSE. Watkins had more snaps than any other WR vs Colts.

2. Tyreek Hill "hurt" his knee in the Colts game.
FALSE. He was running fine throughout that game. (Didn't hurt his knee vs Ravens either. It was his ankle/foot. And it did impact him vs. the Ravens.)

3. You still don't have Hunt.
DUH. Old news. Chiefs have proven they can run the ball and win games without him. As other Pats' fans have indicated, he really is in your head.

**RollChiefsRoll** · 01-15-2019, 05:20 PM

No doubt when Brady retires, Wham--who has been an ardent Patriots fan since 2002--will become the biggest Mahomes fan east of the Mississippi.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 01-15-2019, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll

No doubt when Brady retires, Wham--who has been an ardent Patriots fan since 2002--will become the biggest Mahomes fan east of the Mississippi.

Chief_N_Bama · 01-15-2019, 05:22 PM

I think the game comes down to Ford, Houston and Jones. Brady has been very pedestrian against pressure this year (45.3% completion and 71.2 QBR. KC will score (of course), and if they can pressure Brady, NE wont be able to keep up.

bobbything · 01-15-2019, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WhamBlock

Watkins is still banged up, but either way, was held to just 18 yards by Gilmore in week 6 anyways. You still don't have Hunt. Tyreek Hill "hurt" his knee in the Colts game, which will probably have the same effect that it did in the Ravens game - i.e. none.

You scored 24 in regulation.

So...much...nonsense...

Indirectly comparing your defense to the Ravens is funny. Your defense is flat out bad on the road. It’s okay to admit it. We have admitted it here about our own.

Watkins was very effective and played plenty of snaps against the colts.

Hill did not hurt his knee in the Colts game. No clue where you pull that from.

We scored 24 in regulation against a great defense and an offense that was able to play keep away. Again, the Pats defense is nowhere near the Ravens.

KC will score at least 27. BrAARPdy will have to keep pace.

Our lowest outputs on offense this year had Hunt in the lineup. We’ve actually been way more efficient without him.

**KC Dan** · 01-15-2019, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Dan

Let's talk about the Pats on the road:

Subtract the Jets/Bills/Dolphins on the road = they all suck though Dolphins won

Home team avg points: 27.8
Pats on road points: 17.6

Really all that matters

Scores:
Jags 31 - Pats 20
Lions 26 - Pats 10
Bears 31 - Pats 38
Titans 34 - Pats 10
Steelers 17 - Pats 10

Pats defense sucks on the road, their offense not much better and I'm hoping for a repeat performance

Oh, and add in the fact that NO TEAM has held the Chiefs offense to <20 points. Nobody

WhamBlock · 01-15-2019, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama

Chief possessions in Week 6:

8 plays 35 yards (FG)
1 play (INT)
5 plays 31 yards (FG)
11 plays 69 yards (FG)
9 plays 60 yards (INT)
3 plays 75 yards (TD)
9 plays 51 yards (FG)
4 plays 29 yards (TD)
3 plays 3 yards (TD)
3 plays 3 yards (PUNT)
1 play 75 yards (TD)

So when could KC do "virtually nothing" against NE?

KC pretty much moved the ball at will on NE, the difference in the first game was KC was 2/5 in the redzone. I don't see that happening at Arrowhead.

Is reading comprehension a problem in Kansas City?

You didn't start scoring TDs until the 2nd half, when we played a lot more Cover 2 to try to protect the lead.

In the 1st half when we ran our usual Cover 1/Cover 3 defense, along with some Cover 0 w/ amoeba fronts, the Chiefs offense couldn't score a single TD.

WhamBlock · 01-15-2019, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief_N_Bama

I'm starting to think you didn't even watch the first game. Mahomes was under no pressure at all on this first pick. Hightower faked the blitz then dropped into coverage. And the second was more Mahomes trying to make a play instead of throwing it away and taking the FG than it was about any pressure.

This is actually true. I was thinking of those red zone trips by the Chiefs in the 1st half when our pressure resulted in 3rd down stops. Best example was when we came out in Cover 0 and got to Mahomes. The pressure forced a bad throw to Kelce who as 1 on 1 on 3rd down. Forced KC to settle for a FG.

The point remains. Pressure can affect a QB even when there is no sack.

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RollChiefsRoll I don’t care for Auburn Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Casino cash: $4800340	No doubt when Brady retires, Wham--who has been an ardent Patriots fan since 2002--will become the biggest Mahomes fan east of the Mississippi.
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01-15-2019, 05:22 PM	#521
Chief_N_Bama Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Casino cash: $9100400	I think the game comes down to Ford, Houston and Jones. Brady has been very pedestrian against pressure this year (45.3% completion and 71.2 QBR. KC will score (of course), and if they can pressure Brady, NE wont be able to keep up.
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