****The Official 2019 STL Cardinals Thread****

[BigRedChief]

Cardinals announce 25-man Opening Day roster for the 2019 season.

Spoiler!

The Cardinals today announced their 25-man Opening Day roster that includes four first-time Cardinals and 13 players that were developed within their organization.

PITCHERS (12): 60 – John Brebbia-RHP, 22 – Jack Flaherty-RHP, 53 – John Gant- RHP, 49 – Jordan Hicks-RHP, 43 – Dakota Hudson- RHP, 55 – Dominic Leone-RHP, 59 – Mike Mayers- RHP, 21 – Andrew Miller-LHP, 39 – Miles Mikolas-RHP, 29 – Alex Reyes, RHP, 52 – Michael Wacha-RHP, 50 – Adam Wainwright- RHP;

CATCHERS (2): 4 -Yadier Molina, 32 – Matt Wieters;

INFIELDERS (6): 13 - Matt Carpenter, 12 – Paul DeJong, 46 – Paul Goldschmidt, 34 – Yario Muñoz, 33 – Drew Robinson, 16 – Kolten Wong;

OUTFIELDERS (5): 46 – Harrison Bader, 25 - Dexter Fowler, 38 – José Martínez, 41 – Tyler O'Neill, 23 – Marcell Ozuna;

DISABLED LIST (5): 27 - Brett Cecil (10-day, left hand Carpal Tunnel syndrome), 44 – Luke Gregerson (10-day, right shoulder impingement), 18 – Carlos Martínez (right shoulder cuff strain), 3 - Jedd Gyorko (10-day, right calf strain), 67 - Justin Williams (10-day, right hand 2nd metacarpal fracture).

2019 Opening Day Line up

Spoiler!

Starting lineup
Matt Carpenter 3B
Paul Goldschmidt 1B
Paul DeJong SS
Ozuna LF
Yadier Molina C
Dexter Fowler RF
Kolten Wong 2B
Harrison Bader CF

Won the Central Division. Won the NLDS.

NLDS Playoff roster

Spoiler!

Pitchers (12): Miles Mikolas, Jack Flaherty, Adam Wainwright, Dakota Hudson, Genesis Cabrera, Tyler Webb, Andrew Miller, John Brebbia, Daniel Ponce de Leon, Ryan Helsley, Giovanny Gallegos, Carlos Martinez.

Catchers (2): Yadier Molina, Matt Wieters.

Infielders (6): Paul Goldschmidt, Kolten Wong, Paul DeJong, Matt Carpenter, Tommy Edman, Yairo Munoz.

Outfielders (5): Marcell Ozuna, Harrison Bader, Dexter Fowler, Jose Martinez, Randy Arozarena.

NLDS Playoff Game 1 starting lineup

Spoiler!

1. Dexter Fowler, CF

2. Tommy Edman, 3B

3. Paul Goldschmidt, 1B

4. Marcell Ozuna, LF

5. Yadier Molina, C

6. Paul DeJong, SS

7. Kolten Wong, 2B

8. Harrison Bader, CF

9. Miles Mikolas, P

NLCS Game One Starting lineup

Spoiler!

1. Dexter Fowler, CF

2. Kolten Wong, 2B

3. Paul Goldschmidt, 1B

4. Marcell Ozuna, LF

5. Yadier Molina, C

6. Matt Carpenter 3B

7.Tommy Edmond RF

8. Paul DeJong, SS

9. Miles Mikolas P

[kcpasco]

And there it is. Live and die with the homerun ball all season it seems.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Yelich wasn’t going to be traded at the time. Miami was going to keep him long term. This is revisionist history. Also they gave up a shit ton for him. 2 top prospects in baseball. Flaeherty and Reyes to start for sure as part of any deal. We gave up spare parts for Ozuna.

That's the shit that Goold keeps trying to sell, yes.

There's absolutely nothing that supports it. This is the same Goold that will begrudgingly confess to facts known to him after they become publicly revealed even if he has argued against these things in the past in protecting the Cardinal brand.

According to many folks, the Marlins got less for Yelich than we gave for Ozuna. I don't really agree because I don't have much faith in Alcantara and the rest of that package was rags, but the Brewers didn't give up much for Yelich. Brinson's prospect stock had started to fall pretty precipitously after his brief MLB spell when he appeared to be all tools and no approach. Suddenly he looked like a guy that had a looooong learning curve still in front of him.

Harrison and Diaz were essentially fungible; guys like Mercado, Arozarena and Adolis Garcia.

As soon as the Marlins decided to deal Ozuna, the fire-sale was on. And evidently the Marlins had several suitors for Ozuna so the Cardinals could've easily pivoted to Yelich if they wanted to.

There's no way to review the record there and conclude that Yelich wasn't available. Goold is running cover for his bread and butter again and if anyone else ever reports otherwise and it becomes publicly accepted, we'll hear Goold do the same thing he always does and sheepishly acknowledge some sources he's been sitting on in a chat.

But as I said at the time, the problem wasn't that they just got Ozuna, the problem was the same as it always is with Mozeliak - he stopped one step short of going far enough. I wanted a deal built around Reyes+ to get Ozuna AND Yelich because those guys are perfectly complementary players. Then when Ozuna had fallen on his face last off-season you could've just non-tendered or traded him and still put together the package to get Goldschmidt. Now you have the 1-2 punch of moves that we keep needing to make.

Instead we're still dragging what Ozuna's 'supposed to be' around and we're still a move short of being truly dynamic, even after the Goldy deal.

[O.city]

Maybe a surprise team will suck and decide to firesale is a star center fielder

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe a surprise team will suck and decide to firesale is a star center fielder

Trout's under team control for a bit.

I'm sure Mozeliak will make a 'competitive offer'.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's the shit that Goold keeps trying to sell, yes.

I ain’t buying anything the STL today writers are selling. They have proven to sit on information that fans want to know so they can keep their access.
What’s the point? We don’t need you to get a comment about a performance after the game. They need to tell us the big stuff, but they don’t. When they do tell us something I’m sure it’s legitimate information but it was fed to them as propaganda or to get a narrative out. They won’t get in trouble for that, no, they get rewarded for putting out that one sided BS.

I only trust info from national writers. Rosenthal etc. and Saxon on the Athletic seems to be on point in most of his columns.

[kcpasco]

What a crappy trade Ozuna has been.

[O.city]

Woof

[Jewish Rabbi]

What do you know. Overpriced reliever gets his shit kicked in and then human gas can Hicks can’t get an out in the 9th.

[Frazod]

Well, I guess it's my fault. Just like last year, every time I turn the ****ing game on they immediately shit their pants. Up 4-1 in the top of the 7th. I promptly see the last out of that inning, and then the bottom of the 7th.

The answer seems to be not watching. Which really isn't that hard.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Woof

bases empty you cant throw it down the middle belt high with an 0-2 count. Or throw it belt high down the middle to the hottest hitter on the planet and expect it to end well.

[kcpasco]

Looks like the same team as the last few years. Only score with homeruns, a billion strikeouts and the bullpen blowing games. Fun times.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Still think they should have traded Hicks.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's the shit that Goold keeps trying to sell, yes.



There's absolutely nothing that supports it. This is the same Goold that will begrudgingly confess to facts known to him after they become publicly revealed even if he has argued against these things in the past in protecting the Cardinal brand.



According to many folks, the Marlins got less for Yelich than we gave for Ozuna. I don't really agree because I don't have much faith in Alcantara and the rest of that package was rags, but the Brewers didn't give up much for Yelich. Brinson's prospect stock had started to fall pretty precipitously after his brief MLB spell when he appeared to be all tools and no approach. Suddenly he looked like a guy that had a looooong learning curve still in front of him.



Harrison and Diaz were essentially fungible; guys like Mercado, Arozarena and Adolis Garcia.



As soon as the Marlins decided to deal Ozuna, the fire-sale was on. And evidently the Marlins had several suitors for Ozuna so the Cardinals could've easily pivoted to Yelich if they wanted to.



There's no way to review the record there and conclude that Yelich wasn't available. Goold is running cover for his bread and butter again and if anyone else ever reports otherwise and it becomes publicly accepted, we'll hear Goold do the same thing he always does and sheepishly acknowledge some sources he's been sitting on in a chat.



But as I said at the time, the problem wasn't that they just got Ozuna, the problem was the same as it always is with Mozeliak - he stopped one step short of going far enough. I wanted a deal built around Reyes+ to get Ozuna AND Yelich because those guys are perfectly complementary players. Then when Ozuna had fallen on his face last off-season you could've just non-tendered or traded him and still put together the package to get Goldschmidt. Now you have the 1-2 punch of moves that we keep needing to make.



Instead we're still dragging what Ozuna's 'supposed to be' around and we're still a move short of being truly dynamic, even after the Goldy deal.

Yeah, I place no faith in that argument from pro-Mozeliak people.

Yelich was available for the right offer. The Cardinals could have gotten him by selling high on Weaver and including the rest of that package.

Mozeliak is like the project manager who only projects the bare minimum needed. He never builds in the buffer needed to ensure success and account for normal roadblocks and regression.

[O.city]

Waino off to a great start.

Good lord what a great idea that was.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by O.city

Waino off to a great start.

Good lord what a great idea that was.

From what I've seen/heard so far, all I can say is thank God for Mahomes.