***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[wazu]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I think one would argue that absorbing nicotine is a choice while the vaccines are ultimatums?

Both are choices. And both have a risk level that to a health insurance company will at some point have an expected cost assigned.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jdubya

No link as I was just listening to the radio while driving but is it true that the following are places you can go to work where the jab is NOT mandated:
The White House
The CDC
The FDA
The WHO
Pfizer
modeRNA
Johnson & Johnson?

Or maybe the source was a whack job, who knows?

That is funny as a meme and given how quickly the mandates have happened was probably true at some point as customer-facing and healthcare-oriented companies started rolling out mandates.... but, no longer true. Looks like BigPharm will be doing so and federal employees are required vaccination or routine testing plus masking/social distancing/etc.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DaFace

People were mentioning insurance surcharges earlier...

BREAKING: Delta Air Lines says unvaccinated employees must pay $200 per month surcharge for health insurance. pic.twitter.com/Lye141Oed9

— Sam Sweeney (@SweeneyABC) August 25, 2021

Two hundred bucks a month will probably convince a lot of people that the vaccines are safe.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

People were mentioning insurance surcharges earlier...

BREAKING: Delta Air Lines says unvaccinated employees must pay $200 per month surcharge for health insurance. pic.twitter.com/Lye141Oed9

— Sam Sweeney (@SweeneyABC) August 25, 2021

Delta stepping up to help fight the delta…

I know. Low hanging fruit and all

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by jdubya

No link as I was just listening to the radio while driving but is it true that the following are places you can go to work where the jab is NOT yet mandated:
The White House
The CDC
The FDA
The WHO
Pfizer
modeRNA
Johnson & Johnson?

Or maybe the source was a whack job, who knows?

Not sure, but I'd guess that word I added above is key. Especially considering the military just issued mandates.

[stevieray]

"financial risk for our company"

...it's not about your "health".

You aren't even guaranteed your health.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by jdubya

No link as I was just listening to the radio while driving but is it true that the following are places you can go to work where the jab is NOT mandated:
The White House
The CDC
The FDA
The WHO
Pfizer
modeRNA
Johnson & Johnson?

Or maybe the source was a whack job, who knows?

That was probably true until Monday. I wouldn’t expect it to be true by next Monday.

When the authorization went out, my company (large corporate law firm) had an email out within an hour about vaccines being mandated to work in the office, and that only jobs that could be done fully virtually would be able to continue working with us if they chose not to vaccinate.

I suspect most companies to follow suit.

[dirk digler]

Want to give a shout out to KCTV5 for coming down to Clinton yesterday and giving the handful of idiots who were protesting the schools mask mandate the attention they crave. There was like 15-20 losers protesting does that warrant a TV crew? Never mind the fact the school board sent out a survey to all parents and the results were 65% in favor of masks.


Great job.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Want to give a shout out to KCTV5 for coming down to Clinton yesterday and giving the handful of idiots who were protesting the schools mask mandate the attention they crave. There was like 15-20 losers protesting does that warrant a TV crew? Never mind the fact the school board sent out a survey to all parents and the results were 65% in favor of masks.


Great job.

Kids who are vaccinated shouldn't have to wear masks. It's idiotic.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by wazu

Kids who are vaccinated shouldn't have to wear masks. It's idiotic.

Kids under 12 IIRC can't get vaccinated and I doubt many of the HS age kids are in this area.

People just want to bitch.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Kids under 12 IIRC can't get vaccinated and I doubt many of the HS age kids are in this area.

People just want to bitch.

May be the case. Middle schools and high schools should present the option of vaccine instead of masks, though.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Want to give a shout out to KCTV5 for coming down to Clinton yesterday and giving the handful of idiots who were protesting the schools mask mandate the attention they crave. There was like 15-20 losers protesting does that warrant a TV crew? Never mind the fact the school board sent out a survey to all parents and the results were 65% in favor of masks.


Great job.

I'm a little skeptical of those surveys. My son has about 150 kids in his junior high. He said he thought he saw 1 girl wearing a mask this week. We are a mask optional district.

[O.city]

Not sure it's been posted but there's a good study out about natural infection. Holds up really well and has had less breakthru infections than vaccination only.

Best protection comes from nat infection and a single dose of vaccine.

Side effects of infection extremely higher than from vaccination. Which was always obvious.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Want to give a shout out to KCTV5 for coming down to Clinton yesterday and giving the handful of idiots who were protesting the schools mask mandate the attention they crave. There was like 15-20 losers protesting does that warrant a TV crew? Never mind the fact the school board sent out a survey to all parents and the results were 65% in favor of masks.


Great job.

As soon as I heard the news crew was coming, I was like well ****…great. Idiots.

They were piled out there on 2nd St. again this morning.

[TLO]

How to manage a Delta wave?
Iceland. 78% total population fully vaccinated.
A+ pic.twitter.com/S3FPPWBFPN

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 26, 2021