Peterson Waffling on Surtain - Page 2

BigChiefFan · 02-28-2005, 10:06 AM

Posted on Mon, Feb. 28, 2005

Surtain

Chiefs consider Surtain

By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs' search for a cornerback has started with Miami's Patrick Surtain but won't necessarily end there.

President/general manager Carl Peterson talked with the Dolphins this weekend about a trade for Surtain, a two-time Pro Bowler. Complicating matters is that Surtain's contract is heading into its final season and the Chiefs won't make a trade without having him signed for the long term.

Three other veteran cornerbacks, Tennessee's Samari Rolle, Washington's Fred Smoot and Seattle's Ken Lucas, are also on the Chiefs' priority list. Rolle, a favorite of defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham, was released recently by the Titans in a cost-cutting move.

He could visit with the Chiefs as soon as Wednesday.

“It's in the hands of Miami,'' Peterson said of Surtain. “They're looking for a draft choice, and it's also in the hands of the agent, who's looking for a big contract. We've talked, but the number is too big. If it gets reasonable, then fine.''

Surtain played seven seasons for Miami and played in the Pro Bowl after the 2002 and 2003 seasons.

“He's an All-Pro cornerback,'' Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. “He can play all the variations of coverage. He's a very talented guy. But there's other guys out there, too, and I just don't know right now just how this is going to end up.''

Ty Law, released by New England last week, is not on the Chiefs' priority list, though that could change. Law missed the last half of last season because of a foot injury.

“There's mixed feelings about him,'' Vermeil said. “He's a high-quality player but he's got a long way to go on his rehab.''

The Chiefs plan to tender contract offers to three of their potential restricted free agents. Linebacker Scott Fujita, wide receiver Marc Boerigter and safety Shaunard Harts will receive one-year offers for $656,000.

Each offer would give the Chiefs the right of first refusal if the player signs an offer sheet with another club.

The Chiefs weren't planning to offer a contract to a fourth potential restricted free agent, fullback Omar Easy.

Randy Covitz of The Star's sports staff contributed to this report.

ROYC75 · 02-28-2005, 10:18 AM

Bottom line is, Can the Chiefs work Surtain into the cap along with other FA moves that this team needs to make ?

Seems as thou CP is offering the agent and Surtain an option.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-28-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

“It's in the hands of Miami,'' Peterson said of Surtain. “They're looking for a draft choice, and it's also in the hands of the agent, who's looking for a big contract. We've talked, but the number is too big. If it gets reasonable, then fine.''

I consider that waffling.

I consider that responsible negotiation. **** him and his agent if they think they can just demand some unreasonable number and get it just because we need defense. Defense doesn't begin and end with Patrick Surtain.

BigChiefFan · 02-28-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

They've apparently already talked to Miami about compensation and to Surtain's agent about a contract. How much more timely do you want it?

Like I said, I'd like to get it wrapped up before the other CBs that can help us are off the market.

nmt1 · 02-28-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

“It's in the hands of Miami,'' Peterson said of Surtain. “They're looking for a draft choice, and it's also in the hands of the agent, who's looking for a big contract. We've talked, but the number is too big. If it gets reasonable, then fine.''

I consider that waffling.

Why is that waffling? He just told you the truth about the situation. They've talked to the agent and the Dolphins about it. I would've thought someone with your dim outlook on our offseason plans would be ecstatic that they'd even talked about it.

WilliamTheIrish · 02-28-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wee Todd

Exactly. The "sky is falling" mentality around here lately is laughable.

Exactly.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-28-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

Why is that waffling? He just told you the truth about the situation. They've talked to the agent and the Dolphins about it. I would've thought someone with your dim outlook on our offseason plans would be ecstatic that they'd even talked about it.

Apparently if we don't sign any good player within 5 minutes of him becoming available we are waffling. Give 'em whatever they want without negotiation....that's how you run a successful business and build a winner over the long term after all.

nmt1 · 02-28-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Like I said, I'd like to get it wrapped up before the other CBs that can help us are off the market.

We don't get right of first refusal on these guys. Believe it or not, some of them may not even want to play in KC and therefore won't speak to the Chiefs. Asking Carl to control what players and their agents do is asking the impossible.
I'm happy that they've at least talked to Law's and Surtain's agents.

BigChiefFan · 02-28-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wee Todd

I consider that responsible negotiation. **** him and his agent if they think they can just demand some unreasonable number and get it just because we need defense. Defense doesn't begin and end with Patrick Surtain.

Nobody said it began and ended with Surtain. If we are that far apart on price, then move on to the next guy, but Carl needs to be aware it's going to cost us at least $10 million signing bonus for all of the FA corners that can improve our team.

Just like I don't know what has taken place, neither do you and you assume that his contract demands are unreasonable because Carl said so. There's two sides to every story.

KCTitus · 02-28-2005, 10:27 AM

I guess come March 3rd, we can declare the season officially over?

whoman69 · 02-28-2005, 10:29 AM

Surtain has the added bonus of costing us draft picks. Why are we even going this route?

BigChiefFan · 02-28-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

We don't get right of first refusal on these guys. Believe it or not, some of them may not even want to play in KC and therefore won't speak to the Chiefs. Asking Carl to control what players and their agents do is asking the impossible.
I'm happy that they've at least talked to Law's and Surtain's agents.

Talking to the agents, doesn't equate to anything substantial other than there is some interest from the Chiefs. You act as if because our FO is talking to some agents about their clients that the Chiefs have somehow done their job. They haven't. Landing the players is what would make me happy. Talking to their agents doesn't do jack shit for me.

nmt1 · 02-28-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

...but Carl needs to be aware it's going to cost us at least $10 million signing bonus for all of the FA corners that can improve our team.

Do you really think they don't know this? Do you really believe, even after reading the articles on the Star's web site, that they aren't aware of what it's going to take to sign these guys?

Eleazar · 02-28-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

I guess come March 3rd, we can declare the season officially over?

Yep, may as well just move the team to LA... the front office only cares about selling tickets... Carl eats babies... we're doomed! DOOMED!

BigChiefFan · 02-28-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

I guess come March 3rd, we can declare the season officially over?

No we can all declare everything hunkydunky in Chiefland. We don't need any FAs. We don't need to improve on defense. We don't need any fans in the seats that have an opinion.

It's amazing how some of you can find fault in those that actually want their team to improve.

Eleazar · 02-28-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nmt1

Do you really think they don't know this? Do you really believe, even after reading the articles on the Star's web site, that they aren't aware of what it's going to take to sign these guys?

Of course not. Carl is the debbil and teh front office is funnelling all that unused cap money to Al Queda.

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