Chiefs Disappointed in McCluster - Page 92

Hammock Parties · 10-10-2010, 08:41 PM

Bla bla bla, he's a playmaker, he has two touchdowns already, whatever.

He has seven catches for 93 yards. 1/3 of that yardage came on one play. At least two of those are screen passes I believe.

That ****ing sucks.

This guy needs to be a threat as a WIDE RECEIVER. He hasnt made a single play down the field. I'm not even talking 20 yards. How about 10? How about coming off the line, putting your foot in the ground, getting open and giving Cassel a target?

I'm not willing to accept the idea that Cassel is so god awful he makes all our wide receivers look terrible.

McCluster hasn't done shit yet. And he was utter garbage in Indy.

Don't buy any of his ****ing t-shirts.

**Ming the Merciless** · 08-23-2015, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

it's context

Palmer threw for a bunch of yards and TD's with the Raiders his one year and did it all in garbage time

Luck is going to be excellent. He's already a good QB. He's just not nearly as elite as this website wants to think he is at this point.

He isn't. He's inconsistent. If he was 30 and his name was Nick Tyler and he wasn't dubbed as the "best QB prospect since Elway" he wouldn't be that big of a deal to this point.

I think he's about the 8th or 9th best NFL QB right now. For 1 year. He projects to be the best, probably, but I need to see more.

Is that why you left him off your top 10 list 2 minutes ago?

Lol are you drunk?

**TimBone** · 08-23-2015, 09:26 PM

Not that I'm in total agreement with the McCluster haters, because I think his production was okay, but Pawnmower is bringing up a decent point and still being bashed.

McCluster is a role player. They obviously planned to use him as a gadget guy. That team had tons of holes that needed to be filled. There are plenty of guys listed in that second round that could have been key starters, even still today. That's all he was saying, and I agree with him. They were going for dessert without perfecting the main course.

Saccopoo · 08-23-2015, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Which ones? Show me 15 picks in that 2nd round who are better than McCluster. Prove to me he's not an above average 2nd rounder.

This is how I would have ranked the players available in the second round of the 2011 NFL Draft - after McCluster was picked:

Rob Gronkowski
Zane Beadles
TJ Ward
Linval Joseph
Jason Worrilds
Daryl Washington
Carlos Dunlap
Brandon Spikes
Golden Tate
Koa Misi
Sean Lee
Lamarr Houston
Nate Allen
Ben Tate
Toby Gerhart
Dexter McCluster

So, actually, I would have 15 dudes above McCluster. (And the humorous part is the three guys that most of the CP collective were screaming the loudest for - Terrance Cody, Taylor Mays and the nefarious Jimmy Clausen, have probably had the worst careers of the second rounders in that draft.)

Hootie · 08-23-2015, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Is that why you left him off your top 10 list 2 minutes ago?

Lol are you drunk?

didn't leave him off my top 10 list, moron

I listed the top 10 QBR QB's of 2015 based off of this link : http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

-King- · 08-23-2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone

Not that I'm in total agreement with the McCluster haters, because I think his production was okay, but Pawnmower is bringing up a decent point and still being bashed.

McCluster is a role player. They obviously planned to use him as a gadget guy. That team had tons of holes that needed to be filled. There are plenty of guys listed in that second round that could have been key starters, even still today. That's all he was saying, and I agree with him. They were going for dessert without perfecting the main course.

He was going to be a WR all the way. The Jamaal had to go and tear his ACL and he was forced to convert to RB. And he gave us really good production from that spot. And in the next 2 years after that, he gave us good production from the WR spot and great production as a punt returner.

500 yard receivers are valuable in the league. Thats what he was with us the last two years. We sure could have used one last year. 500 yards is more than what any WR gave us other than Bowe. YOu need to add up our next 3 best WR numbers in order to get 500+ yards. And you got that from DMC in 2013.

**Ming the Merciless** · 08-23-2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

didn't leave him off my top 10 list, moron

I listed the top 10 QBR QB's of 2015 based off of this link : http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

Oh my bad

I thought you were saying YOU couldn't argue with that list.....

Hootie · 08-23-2015, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Oh my bad

I thought you were saying YOU couldn't argue with that list.....

for 2015 only, and not thinking about age/potential, you're absolutely right

I can't really argue with that list for the best QB's in the NFL in 2015

-King- · 08-23-2015, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

for 2015 only, and not thinking about age/potential, you're absolutely right

I can't really argue with that list for the best QB's in the NFL in 2015

I'd put Luck in the top 10 instead of Flacco. But other than that, those are the best 10 QBs entering the season.

tk13 · 08-23-2015, 09:50 PM

Hootie was dominating this thread, and then he had to bring up Luck, his one fatal flaw. One day he will bow before me and admit that Andrew Luck is the best QB of his generation. At least until the next guy comes along.

Hootie · 08-23-2015, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I'd put Luck in the top 10 instead of Flacco. But other than that, those are the best 10 QBs entering the season.

As would I ...

I'd argue Eli probably deserves top 10 over Rivers, too.

But that's not really the point. My point is, QBR is a really, really good tool to determine QB play. Probably the best tool out there.

Hootie · 08-23-2015, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Hootie was dominating this thread, and then he had to bring up Luck, his one fatal flaw. One day he will bow before me and admit that Andrew Luck is the best QB of his generation. At least until the next guy comes along.

It's not really like that. I've admitted that, if I had to bet, in 5 years, Andrew Luck would be the smart money bet to make as "best QB in the NFL." And he probably will be.

But he literally has not been better than Russell Wilson to this point. He's also not a top 5 NFL QB at this point. He's not. He's inconsistent. He seems to excel the most after he puts his team in unnecessary holes. Now, is that his fault, or is that on Pep Hamilton?

Personally, I think, much like Peyton Manning, Luck is hamstrung by a mediocre (to bad) coaching staff. I think Pep Hamilton is awful. I don't understand his offense whatsoever. I think it's really, really, really bad.

But purely by the Hootie 2.0 eye test ... Luck simply isn't that scary to me. Brady? He scares me. Rodgers? Scary. Wilson? Yep. Scary. Rivers scares me more than Luck at this point.

Dude threw 616 passes. He's going to rack up the stats. There is a reason why his QBR was 13th in the NFL. He's just not there. Yet. It is what it is.

Mother****erJones · 08-23-2015, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

It's not really like that. I've admitted that, if I had to bet, in 5 years, Andrew Luck would be the smart money bet to make as "best QB in the NFL." And he probably will be.

But he literally has not been better than Russell Wilson to this point. He's also not a top 5 NFL QB at this point. He's not. He's inconsistent. He seems to excel the most after he puts his team in unnecessary holes. Now, is that his fault, or is that on Pep Hamilton?

Personally, I think, much like Peyton Manning, Luck is hamstrung by a mediocre (to bad) coaching staff. I think Pep Hamilton is awful. I don't understand his offense whatsoever. I think it's really, really, really bad.

But purely by the Hootie 2.0 eye test ... Luck simply isn't that scary to me. Brady? He scares me. Rodgers? Scary. Wilson? Yep. Scary. Rivers scares me more than Luck at this point.

Dude threw 616 passes. He's going to rack up the stats. There is a reason why his QBR was 13th in the NFL. He's just not there. Yet. It is what it is.

People suck Lucks dick but we were shit stomping them in that playoff game before everyone on our team decided to get hurt. We were picking him off with ease. And people shit on Wilson. Luck is going to be great no doubt. But I've always been a Wilson fan. But it's crazy how Wilson gets shat on while Luck is the best ever already.

**RealSNR** · 08-23-2015, 10:15 PM

We had Jamaal ****ing Charles demonstrate in 2009 that he was the true RB we needed and not Larry Johnson.

And Pioli tried to ****ing trade him and replace him with Dexter ****face

Mother****erJones · 08-23-2015, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

We had Jamaal ****ing Charles demonstrate in 2009 that he was the true RB we needed and not Larry Johnson.

And Pioli tried to ****ing trade him and replace him with Dexter ****face

To Washington for a fifth round pick nonetheless.

**RealSNR** · 08-23-2015, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

To Washington for a fifth round pick nonetheless.

And THAT is why Dexter McCluster deserves all the hate.

He wasn't just another 2nd rounder who didn't work out. I don't have the same hate in my heart for Junior Siavii, Bernard Pollard, Kawika Mitchell, or Mike Cloud.

He was a punk ass midget bitch who embodied Pioli in all his "I'm way smarter than everybody in the NFL because Bill Belichick anally impregnated me with Patriot Way genius... and also HIV."

That is why I hate Dexter McCluster. If I'm Dante, he belongs in the 9th circle of Chiefs fan hell, both he and Cassel forever being consumed by the mouths of the Great Satan himself, Scott Pioli

10-10-2010, 08:41 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4700478	Disappointed in McCluster Bla bla bla, he's a playmaker, he has two touchdowns already, whatever. He has seven catches for 93 yards. 1/3 of that yardage came on one play. At least two of those are screen passes I believe. That **ing sucks. This guy needs to be a threat as a WIDE RECEIVER. He hasnt made a single play down the field. I'm not even talking 20 yards. How about 10? How about coming off the line, putting your foot in the ground, getting open and giving Cassel a target? I'm not willing to accept the idea that Cassel is so god awful he makes all our wide receivers look terrible. McCluster hasn't done shit yet. And he was utter garbage in Indy. Don't buy any of his **ing t-shirts.
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08-23-2015, 09:26 PM	#1367
TimBone Mostly Ignored Join Date: Jul 2013 Casino cash: $8499985	Not that I'm in total agreement with the McCluster haters, because I think his production was okay, but Pawnmower is bringing up a decent point and still being bashed. McCluster is a role player. They obviously planned to use him as a gadget guy. That team had tons of holes that needed to be filled. There are plenty of guys listed in that second round that could have been key starters, even still today. That's all he was saying, and I agree with him. They were going for dessert without perfecting the main course.
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08-23-2015, 09:50 PM	#1374
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1972500	Hootie was dominating this thread, and then he had to bring up Luck, his one fatal flaw. One day he will bow before me and admit that Andrew Luck is the best QB of his generation. At least until the next guy comes along.
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