Chiefs Let’s revisit Chris Jones - Page 4

RunKC · 10-16-2019, 12:37 PM

Okay, so we know this guy wants Frank Clark money. We wanted him to take Fletcher Cox money.

It’s a contract year from him and here is what he has done through about half the season:

2 sacks
8 tackles
2 TFL
7 QB hits

He’s hurt again, which I believe is his 3rd injury since being here. Fortunately none of them are major.

So, do you try to resign this guy for Fletcher Cox money ($18 million AAV-cap rise means more due to %) or do you trade him?

If you want to trade him, what do you expect his market to be if he only gets 4 sacks this season?

Chiefnj2 · 10-17-2019, 11:52 AM

The problem is that he appears to be average at best in run defense. I don't know if thst is because he is freelancing, or he just isn't good at it.

Buffalo has one of the best Ds this year. If you look at the stats of their DTs, they look atrocious. Their job is to occupy blockers and let the LBs make plays. Not glamorous, but very effective.

I'm not sure if Jones is willing to sacrifice himself like that for the betterment of the run D if needed.

Valiant · 10-17-2019, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

It's apparently difficult to even find 2 guys that can play.

Gutting the talent is not the solution. It doesn't make you just happen to find guys.

You need guys you can depend on week by week. Chris Jones has basically given you a sack every goddamn game he's played in since the start of last season.

Then you build around those kind of guys.

Giving top tier contracts to people that may under perform them is worse.
But none of that matters until we get a good d coordinator and change the culture of the defense.
Draft replacements. New England seems to do it year in year out. When they want the fat contract, trade. Only keep bonifide allpros.

el borracho · 10-17-2019, 12:15 PM

The situation is complicated by the fact that Veach has not earned anybody’s trust in the draft. Even if the Chiefs received fair compensation for Jones, does anybody believe Veach will maximize that compensation? I don’t.

**notorious** · 10-17-2019, 01:13 PM

**** each and every last mother ****er that has been a part of the defense for the last 2 1/2 years.

Draft guys that will be disciplined and do their ****ing job.

Sofa King · 10-17-2019, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

**** each and every last mother ****er that has been a part of the defense for the last 2 1/2 years.

Draft guys that will be disciplined and do their ****ing job.

Coaches are supposed to teach discipline. Just sayin...

**notorious** · 10-17-2019, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

Coaches are supposed to teach discipline. Just sayin...

100% correct.

A team will also display the personality of their coach.

BigCatDaddy · 10-17-2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

Coaches are supposed to teach discipline. Just sayin...

That you Keitzman?

SuperBowl4 · 10-17-2019, 01:23 PM

SuperBowl4 · 10-17-2019, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

**** each and every last mother ****er that has been a part of the defense for the last 2 1/2 years.

Draft guys that will be disciplined and do their ****ing job.

It's not their fault they were drafted/signed by the CHIEFS.

redfan · 10-17-2019, 04:19 PM

Dangit 'tox keeps writing JAGS and I'm seeing AIDS

Megatron96 · 10-17-2019, 04:56 PM

I've been a bit rough on Chris Jones this season. However, after looking at the big picture, I think the Chiefs should give him a real opportunity to improve over the next two or three years. I think if Spags could have him for a couple years, Chris might become a real Pro-Bowl all-around DT.

The reason I think that has to do with how he handled his hold-out situation. He could've held out, but he reported to camp like a team player. That shows some part of him wants to be on the team and that he respects his teammates. We want guys like that on the team.

Further, he's the best DT we have from a physicality and athletic standpoint. He just needs to be molded into something better against the run.

And he's young; this is just his third year in the league. He still has a lot to learn and he hasn't reached his prime years yet. Even if he's a slow learner, he's going to be a lot better in just two years.

ModSocks · 10-17-2019, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by redhed

Dangit 'tox keeps writing JAGS and I'm seeing AIDS

keg in kc · 10-17-2019, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

I've been a bit rough on Chris Jones this season. However, after looking at the big picture, I think the Chiefs should give him a real opportunity to improve over the next two or three years. I think if Spags could have him for a couple years, Chris might become a real Pro-Bowl all-around DT.

The reason I think that has to do with how he handled his hold-out situation. He could've held out, but he reported to camp like a team player. That shows some part of him wants to be on the team and that he respects his teammates. We want guys like that on the team.

Further, he's the best DT we have from a physicality and athletic standpoint. He just needs to be molded into something better against the run.

And he's young; this is just his third year in the league. He still has a lot to learn and he hasn't reached his prime years yet. Even if he's a slow learner, he's going to be a lot better in just two years.

I don't get the obsession with his run defense. Pass rush, particularly up the middle, is the only way to stop the present day split-second passing game in the NFL, and that disparity is only going to grow as back 7 defensive players keep getting jobbed more and more by the rules. There's a reason Aaron Donald got a $135 million contract last year, and it has nothing to do with how he holds up in the run game.

The fastest path to a QB is straight at him and Jones has an undeniable gift there. Don't get so caught up in trying to find the perfect player that you miss the exceptional one.

Megatron96 · 10-17-2019, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't get the obsession with his run defense. Pass rush, particularly up the middle, is the only way to stop the present day split-second passing game in the NFL, and that disparity is only going to grow as back 7 defensive players keep getting jobbed more and more by the rules. There's a reason Aaron Donald got a $135 million contract last year, and it has nothing to do with how he holds up in the run game.

The fastest path to a QB is straight at him and Jones has an undeniable gift there. Don't get so caught up in trying to find the perfect player that you miss the exceptional one.

Aaron is a mutant. You can't compare anyone other than another mutant to a mutant. That aside, he's better than Jones against the run.

And I'm not saying, nor have I ever said, that Jones needs to turn himself into a best run defender on the team. I just think his overall game will be better if he at least plays his gap assignments correctly 90% of the time. And it'll help the team. So if he plays the run better, we win more games, or we should mathematically speaking.

ModSocks · 10-17-2019, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Aaron is a mutant. You can't compare anyone other than another mutant to a mutant. That aside, he's better than Jones against the run.

And I'm not saying, nor have I ever said, that Jones needs to turn himself into a best run defender on the team. I just think his overall game will be better if he at least plays his gap assignments correctly 90% of the time. And it'll help the team. So if he plays the run better, we win more games, or we should mathematically speaking.

You don't know his gap assignments and what % he's missed on.

And for as much love as Aaron Donald gets, the Rams boasted a 5.1 YPC Rush defense last season, good enough for dead last in the league. But i'm sure the Rams are just kicking themselves for re-signing Donald.

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7873688	The problem is that he appears to be average at best in run defense. I don't know if thst is because he is freelancing, or he just isn't good at it. Buffalo has one of the best Ds this year. If you look at the stats of their DTs, they look atrocious. Their job is to occupy blockers and let the LBs make plays. Not glamorous, but very effective. I'm not sure if Jones is willing to sacrifice himself like that for the betterment of the run D if needed. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $1940400	I've been a bit rough on Chris Jones this season. However, after looking at the big picture, I think the Chiefs should give him a real opportunity to improve over the next two or three years. I think if Spags could have him for a couple years, Chris might become a real Pro-Bowl all-around DT. The reason I think that has to do with how he handled his hold-out situation. He could've held out, but he reported to camp like a team player. That shows some part of him wants to be on the team and that he respects his teammates. We want guys like that on the team. Further, he's the best DT we have from a physicality and athletic standpoint. He just needs to be molded into something better against the run. And he's young; this is just his third year in the league. He still has a lot to learn and he hasn't reached his prime years yet. Even if he's a slow learner, he's going to be a lot better in just two years.
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